Just spoken to the guys at Oxford. There is nothing official on this, and it's certainly not been the subject of a FLM amendment.

Apparently back in the early days of 135 ops(in the UK at any rate) there were a number of incidents of FADEC problems during starts. On observation it was noticed that some pilots were being a bit quick on the start, ie not waiting until all the FADEC captions had cleared from the CAD. It was suggested by Turbomeca to wait "a few" seconds before starting, and I believe that this is when the check Po and T1 requirement was introduced to "slow things down a bit".

Thanks MG, for clearing both things up.

I was wondering how Clydes leasing system up there would work if the 2 ac involved in this incident were damaged enough to be taken off line for an extended period.

Who takes priority over the pool airframes?
Scheduled maint
Unscheduled maint
U/S 'other reason'
U/S ac due to 'other damage' non criminal
U/S ac due to criminal activity.
U/S aircraft due to avoidable criminal activity
I would assume air ambo would take precedence over police

I think Clyde may well be low down on the list for his replacement fully spec'd EC135T2+! :p

The Bond service is very good, however if it had to be pushed because of the 'failure to act with the prudence that a reasonable person would exercise under the same circumstances', as I said before, if I was Mr Bond, I would be very wary of lending my kit to someone who I know isn't looking after it as well as they could.
Terminating a contract could well be cheaper than having to replace aircraft!

As an aside, I notice the Scottish Air Ambo is advertised as providing a 24hr service, but surely not the kind of service that requires it to be outside. Surely husbandry and genaerally looking after the kit would see it inside :confused:

Difficult to say, really. We always catch ours before they hit the ground during our escape drills, so just a bit of copper wire. Possibly a few paint scratches otherwise.

Bit more than a couple of doors then. The cost of our repairs: new windscreen, chin bubble, sliding door window, instrument cowling repair, mop up the petrol, was just over £20,000.

silsoesid- The bond base in glasgow was and probably still is the northern maintenance base. There could therefore be a problem in hangaring the air amb or police ec135 as the hangar might be full of other airframes.

He doesn't lend it out. It is operated on behalf off a customer by Bond employees. ie Pilot and Eng

As above they are always in the care of Bond

Airpolice
I am really getting fed up saying this, you do not appear to be listening. So one last time with feeling. The cops were in work and on duty.

Silsoe,

Air Amb up here works almost as much at night nowadays as during the day. If it is not in use though it will be in the hangar. In this instance both aircraft had recently landed.

That really makes it worse... He managed to get into 2 aircraft while people were at work. Your security really needs upgrading...

Cameras?
Fence? ( not the chicken protector in the google picture)
or just look out of the window every now and again.

so if you hire a car and park it up with the keys left in and it gets nicked I take it the hire company will just give you a new one...no questions... Not:\

And at one point I understood the 'leasing principle' ;)


Sounds mighty familiar :(


Thanks for the info about the Air Ambo, clearly a vital piece of kit up there, as is the whole setup :ok:

Just a thought, did anyone notice the flare going off?

Hey its ok sid bond will just give them a new one...no questions :ok:

Here we go again, merseyside attacked last night........

BBC News - Vandals damage Merseyside Police helicopter

I'm sure it wasn't a Trabant!!

It seems the notification email which is sent out doesn't have the content filtering, so I know what it said!

I am sure a Land Rover has never been made in Solihull, I'll check in work tomorrow to be sure though! :rolleyes:

Dont believe all you read
 

Maybe all the facts havent been released to the press......
Maybe the crew fought them off......Just as they did during the first attack.
Maybe the crew did all they could and prevented the aircraft being a total loss.
A lot of "Maybe I hear you say"..............those who know what happend last night and know what the crew where up against, know there will be no blame pointed at the duty crew.....That is a fact.

I'll still post under my name that everyone knows. Even though I have left the unit, I will save the post mortem having a go at the police. I lived through the security update at Woodvale and can say hand on heart that the UEO and staff did a great job on the fortifications (yes, fortifications) around the unit. Short of land mines and claymores and a resident armed security detachment, this one would probably have got through. Please please don't have a go until the facts are released. I don't know them all, but I do know that trying to stop this one may have caused a fatality and the duty crew deserve a pat on the back for their efforts. PS Wash and Go will get your hair clean..............

Just a shame that, unbeknown to us, the 8' steel gate was only secured to the ground by 6" bolts. :ugh:

"the 8' steel gate was only secured to the ground by 6" bolts".

Sounds like your typical "cheapest bidder gets the contract" job! :ugh: Best Value??

Their probably isnt an airfield in the country that a pair of bolt cutters wouldnt get you in, and security cant be everywhere all the time. Plus im sure the asu police and pilots arnt supposed to fight off potentially armed robbers/vandals. Woodvale is more secure than the 27 threshold end of Liverpool airport so i doubt it'll ever get better.

Insurance may get more expensive tho

Ol Grumpy!
 

From the scroats point of view its all a complete waste of time! Why take the risk of getting caught? Just wait a while, - the service will save you the bother, they are intending to take aircraft out of service quicker than you can destroy them anyway. The "lets save money, - to hell with preventing crime" brigade now have command. Merseyside had already been identified as an early casualty. By 2008 UK Police Air support led the world. By 2012 ??

The secret of all those early success's was the rapidity of response. That will not be the case if distances and areas to be covered become extended. Then when the a/c is always late on scene and the success rates drop away, sooner or later will come the question, - Do we need air cover at all?
So, to the criminals, "Just hang in there guys be patient, the job is being done for you".

Sadly this latest case again demonstrates that the Criminal Underworld has a far greater respect for the deterrent factor of Air Support than does ACPO today, - and NPIA.

Tigerfish. (Teddies being hurled in all directions )

NPIA = No Point In Asking.