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NickLappos 2nd January 2007 06:52

Harrier Hovering Autorotation
 
How the other half lives.....

http://www.dailymotion.com/popular-w...fl7_crashavion

MightyGem 2nd January 2007 07:10

Yes, this happened a couple of years ago, at a display at the seaside town of Lowestoft in the UK. The pilot moved the nozzle positon lever instead of the throttle, and then didn't have time to correct his mistake. :{

Ascend Charlie 2nd January 2007 07:28

And i bet the kid in the funny yellow hat is wishing he had kept watching.:*

Staticdroop 2nd January 2007 09:40

Ooops, bet that required many repetions to the chaps in the bar:\

Barshifter 2nd January 2007 09:51

Im fairly sure the rumour at the time was that he survived the ejection only to break his leg when he parachuted onto the fusalage of the stricken Harrier in the water.

Regards

Barshifter

Graviman 3rd January 2007 09:08

Interesting demonstration of advantages of low disk loading, over the need to maintain engine power with high disk loading.

Mart

scooter boy 3rd January 2007 09:20

What a waste
 
Great that the pilot got out but... but what a balls up!

The MOD have insurance though - it is called the inland revenue.

Isn't it sad that our taxes funded this terrible waste of money?



SB

Flying Lawyer 3rd January 2007 09:33


Isn't it sad that our taxes funded this terrible waste of money?
Not IMHO.
It's a pity the accident happened but even top pilots such as those creamed off to fly the Harrier make mistakes - just like the rest of us in our various occupations.

Fortunately, the pilots also survived the incidents below. Nothing to do with hovering or rotary flight, but amazing pictures nonetheless.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...d_ejection.jpg




FL

topendtorque 3rd January 2007 12:40


Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer (Post 3048688)
Fortunately, the pilots also survived the incidents below. Nothing to do with hovering or rotary flight, but amazing pictures nonetheless.

The first (finger trouble at an airshow - bit low) I would say would qualify as the worlds fastest ride to a desk job,

but the second,

I cannot remember any details if I ever heard them??

MightyGem 3rd January 2007 13:38

From the Pprune archives, via google:


The place was Hatfield, 13/9/62, and the pilot was George Aird, a civilian test pilot with Hawker Siddeley Dynamics. The Lightning became uncontrollable after an engine bay fire had weakened a tailplane actuator, and the pilot was forced to eject from low level. Unfortunately he landed on some greenhouses, breaking both legs in the process!

The pic was taken by a bloke covering a ploughing contest for Farmer's Weekly

The tractor was a Fordson Major, and the plough was made by Aveling Barford, and in those days the driver would have been paid £5.10.6d per week for a 50 hour stint, Mild beer was 7-1/2 old pence per pint and larger had still to be thought of in the UK, a portion of fish and chips was 9d and only the American forces had Anoraks, Oh what glorious days we have missed!

Bertie Thruster 3rd January 2007 14:05

Mighty; I got a few of those glorious years! (and bought my first pint of mild at the "Hoste Arms" in Burnham Market circa 1965, only 'slightly' underage!)

The only ejections I ever witnessed were from a F18 over Hampshire in 1980. The subsequent crash was spectacular, the aircraft narrowly missing the Officers married quarters and primary school at Middle Wallop.

Graviman 3rd January 2007 22:06


Originally Posted by MightyGem (Post 3048960)
The place was Hatfield, 13/9/62, and the pilot was George Aird, a civilian test pilot with Hawker Siddeley Dynamics. The Lightning became uncontrollable after an engine bay fire had weakened a tailplane actuator, and the pilot was forced to eject from low level. Unfortunately he landed on some greenhouses, breaking both legs in the process!

He must had made a full recovery, since my old man later knew George Aird as the Hawker Diddeley chief test pilot. Very helpful guy apparently, particularly since the purpose of the engineering tests was not always well explained. :uhoh:

Mart

as355f1 3rd January 2007 22:12


Originally Posted by MightyGem (Post 3047102)
Yes, this happened a couple of years ago, at a display at the seaside town of Lowestoft in the UK. The pilot moved the nozzle positon lever instead of the throttle, and then didn't have time to correct his mistake. :{

just a thought, but would moving the throttle not have the same outcome i was of the understanding they needed full power to hover ?

treadigraph 3rd January 2007 22:54

Bertie, this was the F-18 that had displayed at Farnborough the previous week... anyone know tech reasons why said pilot felt obliged to eject? Call it vulgar curiosity if you will...

Chesty Morgan 3rd January 2007 23:03

as355f1, not necessarily. It depends on weight. The MAUW exceeds the maximum thrust from the engine even with water meth injection, I think. It does have to be fairly light to hover. John Farley would be a good chap to ask for specifics, he frequents this place from time to time.

John Farley 4th January 2007 10:06

The first steps towards hovering using jet engines for direct lift were all taken by the RAE Farnborough. In 1951 they instigated a model rig test of a jet reaction attitude control system. The success of this led to them contracting Rolls-Royce to build a man carrying hovering rig called the Flying Bedstead which flew in 1954. This in turn led to a contract on Shorts to produce the SC1 aircraft with four separate lift engines plus one for propulsion to investigate the transition manoeuvre. A double transition (accelerating onto the wings and back again) was achieved with the SC1 in 1960. Later that same year Hawkers started to use the P1127 to look at the notion of jet lift (initially PV) using a single engine with swivelling nozzles. This was a less complex way promising greater reliability when compared to the SC1 but the penalty was it relied on the pilot to correctly operate two controls with the left hand (throttle and nozzle lever)

Clearly if you accidentally close the throttle or raise the nozzles when in the hover the thing will fall on the ground. People make mistakes. Whether they recover from them depends on many factors. I accidentally closed the HP cock (so shutting down the engine) at the start of a decelerating transition on one occasion. The dying whine woke me up so I relight the donk and gave myself a talking to.

Even though today they are operated by six nations and have been in service with the RAF since April 1969 there is still much rubbish written about them by people who don’t do their homework – or in some cases even think at all before they post something. Sorry, rant over. I need my breakfast.

vaqueroaero 4th January 2007 12:24

The scoop on the F18 ejection can be found right here:

http://www.ejectionsite.com/thunderbird6.htm

MightyGem 5th January 2007 00:44

That'll be an F 16 then. ;)

smarthawke 5th January 2007 07:44

I stand to be corrected, but I thought the Harrier accident was a result of the pilot's flying suit cuff catching the nozzle lever as he went to move the throttle and took the nozzles 'up'.

topendtorque 5th January 2007 12:08

Now all we need to know is ~ After Capt Strickland rocketed towards his boss's office at 225 knots, did he get a desk job or was he given another rocket to end up as a super salesman for AcesII?:{


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