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M609 30th March 2006 15:21

A109E crash in Norway
 
A109E from Luftrransport AS crashed on the island of Austre Bokn on a flight from Sola/ENZV to Kårstø oil terminal.
http://www.nrk.no/img/583283.jpeg
All 4 on board survived, 3 minor and 1 seriously wounded. One occupant was trapped in the wreck for 3 hrs. The weather was poor with bad visibility in the area.
A/C is LN-OLH
Lufttransport is contracted to fly ship pilots to/from ships.


Article in english

http://web3.aftenbladet.no/multimedi...rs_115921i.jpg
http://web3.aftenbladet.no/multimedi...rs_115926i.jpg
http://www.nrk.no/img/583286.jpeg
http://www.nrk.no/img/583292.jpeg

Can any of you rotorheads interpret anything from the pics?

Edited: Correct reg, stupid mistake...... :D

SASless 30th March 2006 15:42

Optimistic rascals...putting the registration number on the belly of the aircraft! Is that so they can ID the correct 109 crash site?

The landing gear was not extended thus maybe an unplanned contact with the ground? Main Rotor blades seem devoid of lots airfoil surface thus must have been spinning at time of contact with something. Tail rotor, gearbox, and fin are gone...either chopped off (most probably) or departed prior to crash (maybe). Nose cone intact thus not much impact with forward speed. Minor amount of leafy matter/grass pulled up by the gear well...again not much forward speed. What scrape marks can be seen on the belly appear to be more or less fore and aft thus aircraft was moving forward at contact.

The cop on the right hand lower corner of the last photo seems to be writing a "Littering" ticket.

Collective Bias 30th March 2006 15:44

A beautyful fjord in the background:cool:

frodo1 30th March 2006 16:02


A/C is LN-LOS
You stand to be corrected, LOS is not the tail number, LOS is the Norwegian word for sea pilot.
The tail number should be LN OLH
A better foto
http://www.lufttransport.com/Lufttra...ElemFormat=gif
I am glad everybody survived!

SASless 30th March 2006 16:11

Not to be argumentative here...I see the two huge "LOS's" and a smaller "LN-I...something" that must surely be the registration number.

B Sousa 30th March 2006 16:11

Looks rebuidable. As Sasless says not much forward speed, Maybe hovering low with a blade strike?? Must have happened pretty quick as although all blades are destroyed, one spar is still pretty straight.
Injury probably to crew in the back . Seatbelts loose etc??
So now after all the Speculation .Wha hoppen?? Do we know the drivers??

frodo1 30th March 2006 16:24

All norwegian aircraft start with the tailnumber LN-
All helicopters have LN-O
Lufttaransport operates the following Agusta 109E Power LN-OLA, LN-OLH and LN-OLI.
Source http://www.lufttransport.com
If you check the photo on this link you can see that the last two letters are LH. That gives you the tailnumber LNOLH.
http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/innenri...icle597544.ece

skadi 30th March 2006 17:17


Originally Posted by SASless
Optimistic rascals...putting the registration number on the belly of the aircraft! Is that so they can ID the correct 109 crash site?

The landing gear was not extended thus maybe an unplanned contact with the ground? Main Rotor blades seem devoid of lots airfoil surface thus must have been spinning at time of contact with something. Tail rotor, gearbox, and fin are gone...either chopped off (most probably) or departed prior to crash (maybe). Nose cone intact thus not much impact with forward speed. Minor amount of leafy matter/grass pulled up by the gear well...again not much forward speed. What scrape marks can be seen on the belly appear to be more or less fore and aft thus aircraft was moving forward at contact.

The cop on the right hand lower corner of the last photo seems to be writing a "Littering" ticket.

As You can see on the Third Photo, Fin, Stabilizer and T/R Hub are still in place, the T/R-Blades seemed to be gone.

flightmedic1 30th March 2006 17:18


Originally Posted by SASless
Tail rotor, gearbox, and fin are gone...

Perhaps I'm seeing things, but if you look at picture #3 I'm sure I see the tail rotor still there. Not a very good angle to determine the state of it though.

Spunk 30th March 2006 17:21

That makes three in a row.:ugh:

March 20th 2006: A 109 going down in Kassel/Germany
March 25th 2006: A 109 going down in Mexico City
March 30th 2006: A 109 going down in Norway

I just hope that it doesn't continue.

SASless 30th March 2006 17:37

FM1....I believe you are right....these old eyes are getting tired. Better get out that white cane before I stumble.

mortennb 30th March 2006 22:04


Originally Posted by SASless
FM1....I believe you are right....these old eyes are getting tired. Better get out that white cane before I stumble.

From what I know, it was pilots flying in bad weather. Lost visual. Landing gear not down warning came on and pilots knew something where wrong, tried to clime, but to late.
Correct me if any other facts come up. This is not for sure, but what I have heard.

B Sousa 30th March 2006 22:50

"From what I know, it was pilots flying in bad weather. Lost visual. Landing gear not down warning came on and pilots knew something where wrong, tried to clime, but to late. "

That being the case they are extremely lucky. Could have had some three digit airspeed going for them and the story would have been much different.
Sounds like a big bit of luck for these folks.

George Semel 30th March 2006 23:33

Since I was not there, nor do I have any first hand knowlege from those pilots involved. I will not make a guesses on this one. Well they all got out of it, thats the main thing. One thing about helicopters is that when you wreck one it gets wrecked. As for this one, it may be cheaper to buy a new one, god knows what is bent and broken that you can't see. It will be interesting to see what the report will say in about a year.

topendtorque 31st March 2006 02:42

109 - broken.
 
5 things

1. T/R blades, there or not it certainly is hard to see any more than at least part of the hub. at anyrate all t/r ground strike marks are usually relatively very hard to see.

2. The clods have erected their vis barrier on the horizon and are busily walking inside their own barrier, perhaps ALL over any available strike mark evidence.

3. M/R spar straight, blade shattered and bent upwards - power on strike to unyielding surface when A/C has the sky somewhere topside .

4. rule #1. any heavy power on strike. A/C is R/S.

5. And --- there is no sign of pekka anywhere!

M609 31st March 2006 11:16


2. The clods have erected their vis barrier on the horizon and are busily walking inside their own barrier, perhaps ALL over any available strike mark evidence.
Since the local fire department used heavy duty lifting equipment (bags) in total darkness at the site, I figure a couple of coppers vandering about is the least of the problems......

lup 31st March 2006 12:03

lup
 
If the weather was bad,could be a case fo pressonitis.
Airspeed back to nothing, hugging the ground,trying to get over that hill.
lost visual reference,low and slow,intruments no use, tail rotor or main rotor hit the hard stuff, game over!
Pure speculation on my part, but that's all we can come up with from some photos.
Could be the case, amongst others, previously mentioned.

What looks like a tail rotor on second pick, look down hill in line with the open door.

M609 1st April 2006 14:13

AIBN reports that the crew experienced an abnormal situation in the aircraft (whatever that means....) just prior to hitting the ground.
The media speculate that the crew was attempting to do an emmergency landing when they crashed.

If so, why is the gear still retracted? Not enough time to lower?

http://web3.aftenbladet.no/multimedi...1-_116006i.jpg

http://web3.aftenbladet.no/multimedi...1-_116067i.jpg

http://web3.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/article272065.ece (Norwegian)

MD900 Explorer 2nd April 2006 09:18

A109 Down
 
It also speculated in the newspaper report that M609 refers to that the vis was bad and the pilot was hugging the terrain and was trying to nav that way and then came into contact with the terrain below.

The newspaper report is particulary vague, but thats nothing new for a Norwegian Newspaper.

Wasn't Pekka last seen trying out the front right seat of the Police ASU 135 in Gardemoen in the round the world thread? hmmmm

Glad the guys walked away from it.

MD :ok:

B Sousa 3rd April 2006 04:46

Come on now, We all know you went down there to join the Riots..........


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