ROBINSON FORUM NEEDED (URGENTLY)
 

To: Chief Pilot
PPRuNe Towers

Dear Sir,

Please, please, please, please, please, please could you open a new Forum for Robinson Helicopters, Robinson Pilots, Robinson Engineers, anything to do with Robinsons and especially Lu Zuckerman. In fact as a special treat please let Lu Zuckerman be the Moderator.

I am sure that if these topics were sent elsewhere (A Nursery Forum might be apt) more interest would be encouraged from other Rotorhead browsers and more intelligent offerings would result.

I (and many others I am sure)await with hope that this year's resolution will be de-Robinsoned.

In advance of your positive actions We all thank you.

"keeping an ear to the ground" (but all I can hear are ****** Robinsons)!



[This message has been edited by Earpiece (edited 01 January 2001).]

Earpiece

You have my support. Robinsons and their problems caused mainly by people's inability to fly them properly should be moved to a separate forum or maybe to Jetblast since they are a bit of a joke anyway.

Perhaps there could be a Lu forum so that those who care can discuss Robinsons, preferably in private, so that they do not keep hi jacking this forum which is meant to be for professionals.

Robinsons are used for professional aviation aren't they?

Earpiece and Leading Edge.. if you don't want to read the threads then don't. Your choice.


OK I admit it I flew a Robbie today. I had fun, I was safe and giant eels did not eat my children.

Pretty much the same as TV really...

You have the choice to receive or not....

....and there is always the 'OFF' button.

Merry ivory towers to all (well, some anyway!)

Then I wouldn't get suckered into what I feel is like arguing with an 11 year old.
You got my vote.

hmmm ....

Give him his own area and lets move on!

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Marc

OK guys, I've read all of the thread that seems to have provoked all this.

Whilst my 'ivory towers' remark (aimed squarely at those that think the R22 is a 'Bit of a joke'is most definately not recinded, I have to say I see what you mean.

A 'Gyroscopic Precession' forum might do the trick. (Who will begin it?!)You should not seek to exclude the many good pilots that fly the R22 out of necessity or lack of choice from this forum.

We do have useful comments to make and the principles are all the same.

Hoping for more peaceful and sensible times... Happy New Year to one and all.

With you 100%, Earpiece.
A Lu Zuckerman Forum would probably be best, with an appropriate warning about what to expect if you enter.
I have nothing against Robbies or those who fly them - but I'm fed up of the number of rotary threads which are turned into pro/anti Robinson debates by those who don't like them.
Robinson pilots/enthusiasts aren't the problem.


[This message has been edited by Hoverman (edited 02 January 2001).]

Before Lu's arrival and the Robinson debates, this forum mainly consisted of complaining North Sea pilots and was growing smaller by the day. At least there is some lively discussion now and the post volume has leapt up.

OK, I fly Robinsons as well, but that is not the point!

Happy New Year everybody

[This message has been edited by muffin (edited 02 January 2001).]

"complaining North Sea pilots"...

Yeah but we're bloody good at it. :)


Keep Rotorheads general the more topics the better.

So why doesn't everyone:
a)Stop arguing with Lu
b)Start some other topics

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Whirly

To fly is human, to hover, divine.

"complaining North Sea pilots".

Isn't that tautological?

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Another day in paradise

Why Does'nt everyone:

a) Listen to Whirly.
b)Be nice to each other and love one another.
c)Listen to Whirly.

Im now off to retire to my un-knowing and un-caring Hippy pit "Peace"!

Rusty

[This message has been edited by Rusty Cessna (edited 03 January 2001).]

Whirly has certainly given me great advice.
We should heed that posted here.

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Marc

To EarPiece:

Thanks for posting this. Coward that I am, I waited a while to see what others have to say before giving you my 'official' reply - God that sounds stuck-up.

This kind of request has come once or twice before when a topic got really hot. While I am not here to agree or disagree with anything Lu or any of his supporters' and detractors' post, I will say that I have gained a LOT of general knowledge from reading all of the R22 material. I have been around helicopters for the better part of 30 years now and never knew some of this highbrow stuff.

The basic purpose of a forum is to give people like you and me a way to bring our opinions out in the open AND DEFEND them ad nauseam, to the best of our ability. To move someone to another cubbyhole because some people object to the tenure of his/her argument just doesn't fit that lofty ideal.

Bottom line - I am not going to remove Lu or anybody else from this forum. The volume of responses generated by Lu only serves to support my notion that his subject matter is of great interest to many of our loyal PPRuNers.

There is only one thing that I won't tolerate and that is vitriolic personal attacs and other more blatantly offensive posts.

Whirly Bird, I always love your KISS contributions - pun intended. Once again you boiled it all down to the essential issue.

- If you are not interested in a subject
IGNORE it, go to the next thread
- If you don't like particular PPRuNers
IGNORE them, go to the next thread

If on the other hand you have a point to make, no matter how controversial, you will know that you can come here to publish it without fear of being cubbyholed, blocked or otherwise mistreated by Big Brother.

One final comment. On the whole I am very very proud of our little community. Lu was being treated with foul and very personal abuse on another forum, which went totally unchecked. I invited him to PPRuNe and promised that he would receive courteous replies and should also expect some very knowledgeable arguments in dissent.

Thank you all for proving me right and making my job so easy by keeping PPRuNe out of the gutter.

Happy New Year
Y'r obedient servant and Captain
helidrvr http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/cool.gif

[This message has been edited by helidrvr (edited 03 January 2001).]

Earpiece made some valid points.

Whilst it's theoretically possible to move to another thread when Lu is in full anti-Robinson flow, that's not always possible. Lu sometimes turns even the most "general" helicopter topic into a pro/anti robinson debate.

IMHO, comments about "complaining North Sea helicopter pilots" don't help the forum. True they complain from time to time. So what? They don't have a private or "company" forum, so why shouldn't they use PPRuNe to exchange views with colleagues in the same sphere of work. They perform some of the most difficult and challenging flying in the industry, and have a great deal to offer. They, like all other professional pilots, should be encouraged to post. Although the views of (fellow) PPLs are often interesting, the opinions of professionals are of enormous value, whether ATPLs or Professional Instructors.
Helidrvr:
There are relatively few contributions on this Forum from current Service helicopter pilots. That is a great shame. I wish I could offer a suggestion for improving the percentage but, unfortunately, I can't think of one.
Have they never contributed to Rotorheads? Or did they gradually leave?
On a separate point:
I've always been a JetRanger fan, and probably always will be, but have now completed my type conversion on the Gazelle. What a helicopter! If any PPL is interested in a flight, please feel free to e-mail me.

[This message has been edited by Flying Lawyer (edited 03 January 2001).]

I think Muffin's original comment about "complaining North Sea pilots" was more of a description than a criticism. That was how I saw things at the time too: virtually all posts were from pilots working on the North Sea, most of them had complaints, and the few other threads tended to be from rotary wannabes who were almost invariably told to see sense and go fixed wing. I didn't post here, and I stopped even coming to this forum.

Looking at the hugely increased number of people and threads and topics (yes, even with the Robinson-mania) since then, I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks it's an improvement. OK, not perfect, but getting there :)

Yeah, let's keep everyone, and get a few more too. Maybe someone should visit the Mil pilots forum and invite some of their helo pilots to come here once in a while.

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Whirly

To fly is human, to hover, divine.

Thanks for the clarification Whirly, that is exactly what I did mean. I was not being at all detrimental to North Sea pilots who I have every respect for - it was more of a description of the type of traffic that used to predominate in this forum.

Like you, I never posted here in those days as I felt that the subjects were too far removed from the world I was used to. Now however, this forum is the first thing I check after I have downloaded the e mail, and I have personally learnt a tremndous amount from the discussions, especially those following Lu's postings. I have been a contributor to several rotary wing forums in the last couple of years, and this one has developed to be the best of the lot IMHO.

Like Whirly, I am a humble PPL who just does it for fun, and I derive a lot of benefit from the discussions here even if I don't contibute myself very often.

Keep it up guys (and gals)

helidrvr - forgive me, I had completely forgotten that you were still around - otherwise I would not have gone to the top ie to the Chief Pilot.

You too seem to have forgotten that last February you "ordered" all those people who have or have had connections with the military to move to the Military Forum and Rotorheads nearly died.

In March, Cyclic Hotline told you that he thought Rotorheads had disappeared and in April you were berated by ANOrak for boring those Rotorheads who still checked in (occasionally). In June you gave your resignation speech but today you are still here and admit to introducing Lu Zuckerman who has been abused on the other Forums.

Well I agree with freedom of speech but your friend is worse than a politician because he only loves the sound of his own voice - sorry I mean the sight of his own words. Just take a look at his latest attempt "72 vs 90 was Frank Robinson being truthful?" QED.

If you cannot control him or Moderate this Forum in a sensible fashion then I shall retire and leave you to all your Robinson "professionals".

Hopefully there will another helicopter forum on PpruNe - soon.

"keeping no ears to the ground"

To: Earpiece

Just what is it that you find offensive on my posting about 72 Vs 90-degrees, was Frank Robinson Telling the Truth? The purpose of the post was to give Helidrvr a place to post a diagram of mine that will prove that Frank Robinson was not very forthcoming when he said that he had considered a 90-degree pitch horn on the R22 rotorhead. I can only assume you have no idea of what a rotorhead is or what rotor aerodynamics are all about. Based on your postings you find it very boring. Could that be because you have minimal understanding of what is going on in those threads? Watch your threads disappear from the forum one by one. The only thing saving this one is that many of the postings are from individuals that disagree with my ideas.

I also feel that with your minimal participation and obvious lack of technical background on the subjects covered on this forum that it was a cheap shot at Helidrvr and then threatening to leave the forum if he didn’t reign me in. Did you act the same way when you played with other kids? From outward appearances you don't have to go very far to remember those days.

I have two questions, 1) how old are you and 2) what is your technical background? At least when I participate in a discussion with RW-1 (who seems to be your biggest supporter) I know where he is coming from.


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The Cat

[This message has been edited by Lu Zuckerman (edited 03 January 2001).]

[This message has been edited by Lu Zuckerman (edited 04 January 2001).]

To: RW-1

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A haven for professional helicopter pilots
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You want me off the forum because the forum is for professional helicopter pilots. If that is true, why are you participating on this forum? You are not a professional helicopter pilot. Right now, you are a wannabe EMS pilot in training. You will be a professional pilot when you get your first paycheck from an operator. Then and only then can you call yourself a professional.

Don't undercut your own position by badmouthing others just because you don't agree with their point of view. I can just see it when you respond to a knock at your door and when you open it you are face to face with a Jehovas' Witness


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The Cat