No More Postings From Pac Rotors
 

To All,

Have had a number of emails and postings from people bitching and complaining that we are putting up all these new posts and that we just want to promote the magazine. Well a few weeks ago a lot of people asked those in the forum for everyone to keep posting new subjects to move the forum ahead, but now that we have we get !!!!ty emails from people and posts such as the reply in the latest Loss of Tailrotor Effec post.

Obviously there are some pretty closed minds in here who want their cake and eat it to. Well I can use my time much better and will not be making any further posts. Wish you well with the forum.

PR

Hmm. Similar angst to the Robbie arguments, and same applies.

If it's posted people can read it if they wish, and if they don't no-one is forcing them. If complainers cannot see that then their complaints are worth ignoring.

There's a place for nasty emails, /dev/null and send no replies.

Not quite as satisfying as what I do with unwelcome snail mail, but it works just as well.

I enjoy PR, and SPS who posts a great deal also. PR's postings will be missed.

Think it's all about balance. Please carry on posting PR, thick hide on.

I don't really understand why there's been any complaints regarding the posts of PR. I enjoy them personally. Honestly, how many of you have had any trouble figuring out that PR was involved to some extent with developing material for his magazine. He certainly made no secret of it, and folks like you and me are the mag's intended audience. And besides all that, the guy just likes helicopters.

So what's wrong with any of this? Interesting safety issues are discussed, various operational uses for helos are discussed, and other interesting helo topics are discussed.

Again, what's wrong with this? I have certain business interests I'm involved with, and I can certainly appreciate it when someone else has their personal business interests. The "aviation press" business is a useful and good business, especially when the authors know what they're talking about. The good authors also help to promote the industry that most of us are involved in.

I'm thinking of Clara Peller from those old Wendy's commercials, "where's the beef?".

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Safe flying to you...

As Captain, I am normally the first to receive complaints of this sort and can usually sort out the wheat from the chaff pretty quick.

Not a single complaint has been received by me. It is my belief that your posts are a very positive contribution to this forum. Whoever complained to you directly was apparently too cowardly to do so in open forum where they might be subjected to justifiable ridicule.

While Rotorheads is not a forum intended for promoting commercial ventures, I see no harm in a top notch news organization such as Pacific Rotors participating here. In fact, I suspect that it may even help keep the general press at bay when the doodoo hits the fan.

Besides, no advertizing is taking place here. In fact the opposite seems more true. The publisher has been freely sharing all sorts of (downloadable!) copyright pictures which he obviously intends to use in the magazine. Such generosity deserves our gratitude rather than our scorn.

Neville, please keep you contributions coming. You are as much a Rotorhead as the rest of us and more so than many.

Cheers http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/cool.gif



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PR - how many griping emails did you NOT receive? I suspect that there are far more of us that appreciate the posts than complain about them. I was aware that you published a mag, but didn't feel that you were "pushing" it. Guess it's a matter of perspective. I'd urge you to rethink and stay. It's easy enough to skip your postings, or mine, or anyone elses if a reader is so inclined. Post on.

And in any event, Danny has adverts above and below this thread and that is commercial reality. It bothers no-one and its a good job they are there.

No adverts likely means no prune, no Pac rotors, etc. etc.

I agree wholeheartedly with all the above posts in support of Pac Rotors.

As a user of this site I have rarely had anything useful to add to the discussions which take place. When I have had something useful to say, I haven’t had the opportunity, working away from home and constantly travelling. On this subject though I feel I have to voice my opinion.

Pac Rotors has added a lot to this site recently. As he says, when topics were drying up, HE stimulated discussions by adding new topics. Without this “rotorheads” would have been a quieter and duller place. I have absolutely no problem with any of his topics or postings. It is my choice to read them or not, agree with them or disagree with them. What I do like is the choice and variety. It’s a fine line between talking about a business and promoting it. I think Pac Rotors has (and others have) managed this task admirably.

What I find utterly distasteful about this thread is the schoolground bully boy tactics that have gone on. Individuals, unilaterally deciding to take matters into their own hands is unbelievable in a civilised world. Helidrv is the moderator of this site, we play by his rules and we all choose to accept these rules. If Helidrv has no problem with postings how can we?

Pac Rotors, please continue posting. Your threads, pictures and news items all add to the interest value of this site. You are obviously somebody with lots of energy and enthusiasm and are able to make this place more interesting when others (myself included) cannot be bothered.

Did any of you actually READ the 2 posts I made on this topic on 11th March? (Look in the 'Pac Rotors' and 'LTE' threads). I'm entitled to voice my opinion, and I stand by every word I wrote. As I said, I question Pac Rotors' motivation in posting when he starts a new thread on LTE when this topic was covered very extensively less than 2 weeks ago-oh and by the way, you can read all about LTE in the magazine. These not-so-subtle ads for the magazine are like junk emails-I know I don't have to read them but it's still annoying to find them. Helidrvr,I am very disappointed in your comments- "Whoever complained to you directly was apparently too cowardly to do so in open forum where they might be subjected to justifiable ridicule." Well I didn't complain to PR directly, but I hardly think I deserve to be "subjected to justifiable ridicule" just because my opinion apparently differs from yours. As for Jed A1 "...schoolground bully boy tactics.."!!??
Not to mention "Individuals, unilaterally deciding to take matters into their own hands, is unbelievable in a civilized world." You sound like the BBC reporter in Kalimantan. This is Pprune for God's sake, and people are allowed to have different opinions. I think all of you who have rushed in to defend Pac Rotors should go back and read BOTH my original posts. By the way Desert Rat, I don't know you and you sure as hell don't know me. I put my opinion up for " justifiable ridicule".I didn't change my login as you stated, and I even listed my real email address-which I notice you failed to do-so which one of us is "cowardly" and ch!ckensh!t"?

MEA CULPA

I went a touch to far with the "justifiable ridicule" bit. I do stand by my belief that those who have a problem with this forum should air it here so we can all consider the issue and voice our opinions - whatever they may be. Thanks for the "heads up" Whrank!

My feeling on the "advertizing" issue is that any tasteful advertizing of commercial activites DIRECTLY RELATED to our industry should be encouraged. While it may be commercially operated, a magazine such as Pacific Rotors, specializing in helicopter related news, may surely be viewed as a public service to us all. I wish there were more, don't you?

SPAM is UCE or Unsolicited Commercial Email. This is a public forum and therefore all posts are by definition solicited - subject to the moderator's velvet glove, of course. You come here of your own free will and are under no obligation to read all threads. As moderator, I'm the only one who doesn't have that luxury.

As far as bullying is concerned, we are by and large blissfully spared of this ignominity. Just check some of the other forums - no need to name names.

Keep 'm coming ...

Cheers http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/cool.gif

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[This message has been edited by helidrvr (edited 12 March 2001).]

Whrank,

I certainly read both your both your messages. One says, "I'm not going to get involved in a 'Just Helicopters' type argument on this subject so this is my final posting on the matter." - Interesting.

My point is that somebody, I don't know who, has made Pac Rotors feel unwelcome in this forum. I for one don't want this to be the case.

Remember you can learn a lot from the BBC.

I don't think the criticism of Pac Rotor is justified. Of course he's mentioned the new mag, but he doesn't overdo the promotion, has offered free copies to Pruners, and posts stunning photographs.
Please keep posting Pac Rotors.

However, and I hope this doesn't cause offence, I admit I do just occasionally groan at the rather blatant advertising by one Pruner who, although he makes interesting and informed contributions to discussions, does sometimes overdo the links to his own commercial website/new book.
Of course Danny puts adverts on the page, because the income from them helps to keep Prune going. But, Pprune is a business with overheads, and I think it would be fairer if Pruners who wish to promote their own commercial website and book, paid Danny for inserting adverts.


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I've had no issues with Pac Rotors.

And you ALL know if I did how well I can voice my displeasure hehe ......

Yeah, there are times I feel both possibly have made mention of their respective sites, books, whatever .... Never really felt bothered by it.

I can also understand while wanting to re-address topics, but unfortunately the way it was presented by Pac Rotors for that particular topic did make me feel like we we're not going to recover much, andn having just finished it, it lead me towards more of a mag thing than the topic.

If it was just presented with some new info or a case to look at, etc. I may have had a different opinion of that thread, but do notice while I may have been against it, I just passed it by.

Just how I see it.


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Marc