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belly tank 4th February 2014 20:40

Translation from Google!:ok:


When Air Greenland two years ago entered into agreement with the helicopter manufacturer Eurocopter for the supply of two new EC225 helicopters in 2014, it was with the expectation of increasing activity in the oil companies ' exploration and drilling.

This is, however, not yet been realized, on the contrary, several companies postponed or scaled down their activities in Greenland. That is why Air Greenland's Board of Directors today unanimously decided to put the two helicopters for sale.

-We ordered the helicopters already in 2011 because of the long lead time in order to be ready for operation, when oil companies expect would initiate offshore activities. We have always been in close dialogue with these companies and followed the market close, and unfortunately, we must note that it is not possible to employ has proven sufficient helicopters in 2014.

There is also not satisfactory prospects for years thereafter, and when the expected customers is not there, then we take as responsible company, of course, the consequence and adapt to the market before costs such as training and spare parts takes off, explains Chairman Jens Wittrup-Willumsen.
Air Greenland expects to be able to sell the EC225 helicopters-with no loss

Hippolite 4th February 2014 22:18

Well, maybe the "announcement" will be delayed regarding the EC225? It appears there will be no EC225 at HAI this year.

The aircraft on stand will be EC175 Executive Configuration full mock up, AS350 B3e, EC145 T2, EC135 (Corporate configuration) and AS332 C1e.

I don't think I will bother to visit.

206Fan 19th February 2014 16:44


Need money 5th March 2014 21:18

Was this the announcement (I didn't see it mentioned elsewhere):

At Heli-Expo, Airbus Helicopters launched the enhanced EC225e Super Puma family version that features new Turbomeca Makila 2B turboshaft engines, more payload, an additional fuel tank for very long range flights, a new cabin layout for improved passenger comfort and new systems to significantly increase pilots’ situational awareness while reducing workload.

Certification of the EC225e is targeted for late 2015, followed by the start-up of deliveries in mid-2016.

SASless 5th March 2014 21:25

Improved MGB?

diginagain 5th March 2014 21:38


Originally Posted by SASless
Improved MGB?

I think that putting the main cabin door jettison mechanism within reach of those sitting by the main cabin door might be a more attractive option, rather than giving the pax sitting in the next row the dilemma of either opening his own exit first, or someone elses.

Praet 5th March 2014 21:49


an additional fuel tank for very long range flights
I wonder where they're going to put this one...

Ian Corrigible 5th March 2014 22:30


Originally Posted by SASless
Improved MGB?

Flight: Redesigned gearbox component for EC225 to arrive by third quarter

Certification of the redesigned bevel gear vertical shaft for the Airbus Helicopters EC225 is expected towards the end of March 2014 or in early April...Assuming approval from EASA occurs as planned, then retrofit of the component to the global fleet of EC225s and military EC725s should begin in the third quarter

Originally Posted by Praet
I wonder where they're going to put this one...

Flight: Airbus adds power, range and automation to EC225

The additional range has been achieved by replacing a baggage compartment with a 470 litre (370gal) internal fuel tank
I/C

The Sultan 6th March 2014 09:35

Who Pays?
 
The AD note indicated the replacement was going to cost $1M+ per aircraft. Is Airbus footing the bill? That would seem appropriate!

The Sultan

terminus mos 6th March 2014 12:30

The EC225e maintains MTOW to ISA +20 using the Makila 2b

The new redesigned MGB Bevel shaft was shown, some were invited to examine a cut prototype shaft to see the difference.

Additional fuel will go in the current baggage bay and bags will go into a netted "bin" in the cabin.

jimf671 6th March 2014 13:37


Originally Posted by diginagain (Post 8354728)
I think that putting the main cabin door jettison mechanism within reach of those sitting by the main cabin door might be a more attractive option, rather than giving the pax sitting in the next row the dilemma of either opening his own exit first, or someone elses.


Top of my wishlist.


(Also see ETAP/G-REDU report, 1/2011.)

[How far have we moved forward from this http://www.samson-tiara.co.id/samson...cConfusion.pdf ? ]

Fareastdriver 6th March 2014 14:48


bags will go into a netted "bin" in the cabin.
Back to the 330J.

Curtis E Carr 6th March 2014 15:03


Bolloeux!

I don't know where you get your information from ....
From Flightglobal purportedly quoting the head of the Super Puma programme


The additional range has been achieved by replacing a baggage compartment with a 470 litre (370gal) internal fuel tank, says Marie-Agnes Veve, head of the Super Puma programme at Airbus Helicopters
Mind you, how she equates 470 litres to 370 gals (UK or US) is beyond me. Guess she means kilograms. Also, carrying this extra fuel is more likely to give an extra 60 nm or more (assuming a miserly 120 Kts G/S) unless the fuel consumption of the 2B is hugely increased.

terminus mos 6th March 2014 20:45

P3 Bellower

This fuel is in ADDITION to the fwd sponson tanks for ultra long range. The AB debate is whether or not its retrofit or factory permanent for the 225e LR possible variant.

My information comes from being on the customer development panel for the 225e.

terminus mos 8th March 2014 07:51

No, don't do that mate, no need. Any one of us can make a mistake or misinterpretation. Its no biggie.

albatross 8th March 2014 14:32

Stop the pain!
 
Now if they would install "long range crew seats" that would be nice!

I maintain that all helicopter manufacturers CEOs and other executives should be forced to sit at their desks in standard equipment helicopter crew seats - I wonder how long it would be before a more comfortable seat would be designed and installed?:E

WASALOADIE 8th March 2014 16:32

Re the fuel mass
 
370 is approx 0.79 of 470
so 470 litres = 370Kgs of fuel @ 0.79SG

Ian Corrigible 22nd April 2014 18:20

EASA certifies Airbus Helicopters’ EC225 gear shaft redesign
Airbus Helicopters 22 April 2014

The new design eliminates all three factors that, in combination, had caused two unexpected vertical shaft ruptures. It provides corrosion resistance, compensates for residual stress and eliminates stress hot spots.

Manufacturing of the redesigned gear shaft is underway, allowing worldwide implementation on concerned aircraft in service and in production, starting in the second semester of 2014.
I/C

Boudreaux Bob 22nd April 2014 22:45

Vertical News article.

EASA certifies redesigned EC225 gear shaft | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry

The Sultan 23rd April 2014 01:32

BB,

Article very informative for being written by an apparent sixth grader. Who else would describe the OEM's carelessness in wiring the backup system which resulted in false failure indications mandating ditching as a minor "boo-boo"!

At least I am sure Airbus is picking up the $1M+ per aircraft retrofit cost for the fixing this colossal screw up!

The Sultan

Boudreaux Bob 23rd April 2014 03:04

He had you in mind when he decided upon what comprehension level to focus the article I guess.

terminus mos 23rd April 2014 04:03

Airbus will not be charging for the retrofit (at least not visibly!)

Brian Abraham 25th April 2014 06:25

From today's Aviation International News email


EASA OKs Redesigned Airbus Helicopters EC225 Shaft

The EASA has certified the redesigned vertical bevel gear shaft for the Airbus Helicopters EC225, which has suffered in-flight failures and a nine-month grounding in 2012 and 2013. Manufacturing of the redesigned gear shaft is under way for production aircraft and for retrofits, and installations for both applications are slated to begin in the second half of this year. Airbus Helicopters says that the new design eliminates all three factors that, combined, caused two unexpected vertical shaft failures. It provides corrosion resistance, compensates for residual stress and eliminates stress hot spots. To protect against corrosion, a smoother shape inside the shaft will prevent “mud” retention areas. Reinforcement in the welding area compensates for residual stress. Improved internal geometry removes hot spots such as small-radius angles that concentrate stress. Airbus Helicopters chief technology officer Jean-Brice Dumont described the module-level exchange procedure as “not very complicated” for the operator’s maintenance technicians and promised that Airbus Helicopters’ production capacity will not impede the process of retrofitting the fleet. Downtime will be six days.

as365n4 26th April 2014 10:09

Replacing the Bevel Gear shaft gets done by Airbus Helicopters themselfs, Operators stripping the Box and then send the Main to an AH Facility for Shaft change. Then Operators build up the Box and AH does the final test with the complete rebuild A/C.

So it's not that easy as AH says.

terminus mos 26th April 2014 11:53

Airbus Helicopters tell us that its a module replacement?

as365n4 26th April 2014 11:57

No, you keep your module. Only the shaft gets replaced by AH.

And in addition the Mod45 Light gets taken out of the office, as it was only a interim solution.

Work should beginn as early as September this year.
The shafts for the whole North Sea fleet gets done via the Aberdeen AH Facility.

terminus mos 26th April 2014 13:13

No, Airbus have said they will be swapping our modules for modules with a new bevel gear shaft. I am not in Aberdeen, my 225s do not work the NS.

as365n4 26th April 2014 13:41

You got a pretty good deal then. :ok:

heli1 27th April 2014 08:08

Can you really do that Aberdeen work in six days? Strip,remove,deliver,replace,deliver back,install ,and test?

mdovey 11th June 2014 06:56

Just published by AAIB:

Air Accidents Investigation: 2/2014 G-REDW G-CHCN

Matthew

Boudreaux Bob 11th June 2014 13:30

Don't you just love the FAA Response!:ugh:

212man 11th June 2014 15:53


Don't you just love the FAA Response!

This has been assessed by the AAIB as ‘rejected’.
I think that's an accurate aseessment....

Boudreaux Bob 11th June 2014 16:25

Remember the NTSB has fought battles with the FAA over Safety Recommendations in the past and in some cases it took a Public Outcry prompted by Media Attention to get any action from them.:rolleyes:

That almost sounds familiar doesn't it?:uhoh:

Evil Twin 18th August 2014 10:53

Hi all

I'm converting onto the 225 can anybody tell me if the aircraft requires a high or low impedance headset? There is much conjecture amongst our group and a definitive answer has not been found as yet.

Thanks

DOUBLE BOGEY 18th August 2014 11:01

Evil Twin. The civvie EC225 requires Low Impedance. All the ones I have flown are the same. I have a Bose A20 Low Impedance and it works fine. Hope this helps.

Evil Twin 18th August 2014 11:29

Thanks Double Bogey, that's just the info I was looking for.

HeliComparator 18th August 2014 13:45

When you order a new one, it is up to the customer to specify the settings for the station boxes regarding impedance. So I don't think there is a definitive answer, but I suspect DB is right in that most, if not all, are low impedance.

terminus mos 18th August 2014 13:57

Can someone tell me which EC225 Simulators are in Aberdeen and their "Level"? Does Bristow have a sim? Is there an Airbus sim available? Do companies do their own training or is training contracted?

HeliComparator 18th August 2014 15:24

Bristow has an FFS B /FTD 3. If you this level is inadequate and would hold out for a level D, you would be foolish. There is virtually no practical or useful difference between these two grades. Sorry if I am pre-empting your response incorrectly!

Pretty sure AH's ABZ sim is similarly qualified (ie FFSB/FTD3) but I'm sure DB will correct me if that is wrong. I'm fairly sure the only level D is at Helisim. Personally I would rather use the Aberdeen devices even discounting the issues with travel, availability and cost.

Variable Load 18th August 2014 18:52

Both the Bristow and AH EC225 sims are "FFS B/FTD 3".
The AH device is far better than Bristow due to superior visuals and having the latest aircraft software loaded. The Bristow device is sadly not being upgraded to keep it in line with the aircraft.


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