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Tony Chambers 26th July 2004 22:16

emergency extraction
 
OK pruners imagine that your in need of emergency extraction be heli, you have 2 choices, which 1 would you choose?

Winch or Long line?

Ascend Charlie 26th July 2004 22:32

If it was a big enough emergency ( advancing bushfire, surrounded by enraged koalas, attacked by poisonous kangaroos) I would be happy to use either way.

A long line would generally be used to lift the rescuee a short distance to a clear area and then be boarded, and i wouldn't want to travel far like a teabag.

Gomer Pylot 26th July 2004 22:48

Winch, obviously. With a winch you can get inside. With a longline, you're dangling way down there until the pilot slams you back into the ground, and you pray he doesn't hit anything else with you on the way.

autosync 26th July 2004 23:33

If it was a real emergency, I wouldn't be fussy!

SASless 27th July 2004 01:08

If it is an emergency....time is of the essence....but then I think of bullets flying and the prospects of leaving "rat now" versus "when ya'll git around tu-it"....either way would be fine...but a fixed line ala...Mr. McGuire will do nicely if you do not mind. In the civvie world....the winch should be the preferred method...with a very good cutter system.

heedm 27th July 2004 03:32

Winch.
 
There may be a few instances where a long line would do fine, but given the choice definitely a winch.

In reality, the rescuers have to find you first. You might not be healthy enough to help them much. With a winch, the time from target sighted to rescue completed is about 3-5 minutes (plus time required on scene for medical) for a trained crew doing it very carefully. With a long line, I expect the time for the sequence to be similiar, but you have to add two way transit to the nearest area to set up for the rescue.

From a safety standpoint, neither is a good place to be, but if needed there are more options available when your load is on a winch than on a long line.

Of course, my choice is made assuming all other factors are equal. If I was rock climbing near Banff, I'd prefer to be rescued by Alpine's long line than my squadron's rescue hoist.

DualDriver 27th July 2004 05:34

I recall a video clip I saw a while back when the victim and the medic went into an "uncotrolled spin" whilst being longlined during the rescue. The landing wasn't so hot either, so for me, WINCH please.

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