Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11429363)
I also think there is a problem with recruitment from the "interviewing" side. When most AA chief pilots are ex-mil, they end up hiring people who are like them and have similar background. Same in all industries. People hire people like themselves, and this gets perpetuated, thus narrowing the pool of people who apply or get considered.
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11429363)
CAA don't help. Plenty of folk out there with lapsed IRs but don't want the pain/expense of sitting exams again and spending £20,000 to renew...
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Well I'm on a roll here :O Looking at some other ad's running at the moment for a major UK HEMS operator, and the entire ad is what you must have, must do, must comply with etc to apply! Wonderful, nothing at all about what they can offer you, why you would want to work there etc, just what YOU must comply with, as you would be so, so, lucky to work for them, (doing night shifts etc)?
No wonder these ads seem to be constantly running, if that is the best employers can do to encourage pilots to join, does this reflect their feelings/mentality towards their key staff? :confused: B. |
Flight instruction, done well, is a hard and skilled job
Offshore flying, done well, is a hard and skilled job Charter work, done well, is a hard and skilled job etc There is nothing inherently "special" or "unique" about the skills needed for a HEMS job. Yet, you won't get a sniff of a HEMS job without HEMS or ex-mil experience That's one of the main reasons HEMS employers claim they can't attract/find the "right" staff. They need to accept that a decent pilot can learn, and has transferable skills. At the end of the day it's just stick/lever/pedals, good decision making, and the ability to work with people (ie like ALL flying jobs) |
Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11429628)
There is nothing inherently "special" or "unique" about the skills needed for a HEMS job.
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Sir Korsky,
I think it's the experience level in the USA plays a huge part of this. I was reading a while back of a fatal crash where the pilot had the required total hours, but had achieved these flying tours in the grand canyon, day vfr, usually bright sunshine? The accident occurred way up north at night in poor weather and snowy conditions, something completely foreign to this particular pilot. What H99 is trying to point out, is that the hems operators are reluctant to take on experienced, seasoned pilots. He's correct in saying there is nothing "special" about Hems, or any other role, there is nothing special about landing on a boat in the North sea, pitching and rolling, at night, non nvg, it just takes a bit of training and practice. A decent pilot should be able to turn his or her hands to any role, given a bit of insight and training, sometimes that can be just a couple of hours of practice. B. |
Here in the UK there seems to be this pervasive attitude amongst operators and employers that what they do is "special".
eg Onshore people think north sea pilots can only fly in a straight line, offshore people think onshore pilots are all cowboys, everybody thinks flight instruction is easy and any monkey can do it, VIP operators think that only they know how to deal with customers and dress smart, HEMS people think what they do is extra special (as if other pilots have never landed in a field). I am exaggerating, but you get the point. Yet, often, if you are prepared to pay £12k-£20k for a type rating/line training costs etc, these experience requirements suddenly go away, funny that... |
Originally Posted by Brutal
(Post 11429623)
Well I'm on a roll here :O Looking at some other ad's running at the moment for a major UK HEMS operator, and the entire ad is what you must have, must do, must comply with etc to apply! Wonderful, nothing at all about what they can offer you, why you would want to work there etc, just what YOU must comply with, as you would be so, so, lucky to work for them, (doing night shifts etc)?
No wonder these ads seem to be constantly running, if that is the best employers can do to encourage pilots to join, does this reflect their feelings/mentality towards their key staff? :confused: B. That is slowly changing. There is an ad out for another UK HEMS operator which (although specifying the minimum requirements) seems to move more towards describing the up-sides rather than just demanding bits of paper. It also includes type ratings and training if necessary. |
Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11430196)
SAS are currently looking for new co-pilots, but you must have had an IR test/reval in the last six months. Pretty strict criteria.
So you drop £50,000 on an IR, spend 7 months looking for a job....and then...SAS won't even look at you! That is just ridiculous. And these charities wonder why they can't attract pilots? |
Ah yes, my mistake, 6 years is it.
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I looked at going HEMS 9 years ago when I left the RAF, the recruiter made a huge deal about landing in fields - I asked him what it was he thought we did on SAR day and night but he was convinced HEMS was somehow special and different.
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11429628)
Flight instruction, done well, is a hard and skilled job
Offshore flying, done well, is a hard and skilled job Charter work, done well, is a hard and skilled job etc There is nothing inherently "special" or "unique" about the skills needed for a HEMS job. Yet, you won't get a sniff of a HEMS job without HEMS or ex-mil experience That's one of the main reasons HEMS employers claim they can't attract/find the "right" staff. They need to accept that a decent pilot can learn, and has transferable skills. At the end of the day it's just stick/lever/pedals, good decision making, and the ability to work with people (ie like ALL flying jobs) |
Crab, hear what you were saying,I was told the same about landing in a field, seems to have missed the point I was putting loads into clearings in a forest on a 100 ft line 1
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Originally Posted by DOUBLE BOGEY
(Post 11432483)
I suspect HG you have not done HEMs work!
It is a skill which, like all others, is taught and learned. Certain types of experience are an advantage but if the correct training is provided then most reasonably competent helicopter pilots will be able to transition to the challenges of HEMS just the same as they can learn the skills necessary for Offshore flying, SAR and all the other roles. There are plenty of Single Pilot Day/night with NVG HEMS pilots in this country who have never been in the military and never flown SAR. They seem to get along just fine. It's challenging but it's not a dark art. OH |
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