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PPRuNeUser0211 26th Dec 2022 20:26

Helicopter ID - single engine skidded ducted tail rotor
 
Hey all,

There I was, bored on boxing day watching Jack Ryan on Prime (average, but not terrible) and I saw a helicopter I didn't recognise (moderately unusual). See attached - what looks like a skidded single with a fenestron - to my eye looks like a cross between a dauphin and a squirrel, but what do I know? Anyone point me at it?
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8eed22b778.jpg

Bravo73 26th Dec 2022 20:47

It looks like an early Dauphin, an SA365C2.

PPRuNeUser0211 26th Dec 2022 20:54


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 11354768)
It looks like an early Dauphin, an SA365C2.

Yep, never come across one before, older than me!

Thud_and_Blunder 26th Dec 2022 21:20

Doesn't look as weird as the Dauphin with a tail-wheel undercarriage, like HKGFS flew back in the early 80s though :)

GoodGrief 26th Dec 2022 23:22

Here's one in Octopussy, 1983.

Tickle 27th Dec 2022 01:16

Yes, early C series Dauphin with skid option. The French Sécurité Civile operated a number of them and I modeled it for Microsoft FSX back in the day.

What's really unusual is I've seen some which also have a tailwheel.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3a39f7f8b1.jpg

helispotter 27th Dec 2022 04:50

Makes me feel old when this early version of the Dauphin is a puzzle. It is the newer versions of Dauphin that I struggle to identify, especially with all the re-designation that has happened from Aerospatiale to Eurocopter to Airbus Helicopters (and should I add Sud-Aviation?).

The Dauphin started off as the single engined SA.360 with Astazou XVI which first flew on 2 June 1972. The first twin engined SA.365 prototype flew on 24 Jan 1975.

I have always preferred the style of the tail and twin main wheel SA.365 to the skidded or later nose wheel versions, but I guess it is a matter of taste.

John Eacott 27th Dec 2022 04:57


Originally Posted by pba_target (Post 11354762)
Hey all,

There I was, bored on boxing day watching Jack Ryan on Prime (average, but not terrible) and I saw a helicopter I didn't recognise (moderately unusual). See attached - what looks like a skidded single with a fenestron - to my eye looks like a cross between a dauphin and a squirrel, but what do I know? Anyone point me at it?
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8eed22b778.jpg

Aerospatiale SA360. I first flew in one in 1974 leaving Farnborough Airshow to Battersea 👍


Originally Posted by Thud_and_Blunder (Post 11354777)
Doesn't look as weird as the Dauphin with a tail-wheel undercarriage, like HKGFS flew back in the early 80s though :)

Weird? The tailwheel AS365C ‘Daphne’ was our routine Air 490/PolAir 1 for Victoria Police in the 1980s, later supplemented by two more in about mid/late 80s IIRC.

treadigraph 27th Dec 2022 07:52


Originally Posted by Thud_and_Blunder (Post 11354777)
Doesn't look as weird as the Dauphin with a tail-wheel undercarriage, like HKGFS flew back in the early 80s though :)

Gratuitous image for anyone not familiar... not sure I've ever seen one, certainly not in the UK. Always quite liked it.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6a811c1936.jpg

helispotter 27th Dec 2022 12:00


Originally Posted by John Eacott (Post 11354882)
...The tailwheel AS365C ‘Daphne’ was our routine Air 490/PolAir 1 for Victoria Police in the 1980s, later supplemented by two more in about mid/late 80s IIRC.

Yes, VH-PVF was the first Dauphin registered in Oz on 1 Oct 1979 (and great to know it is now on display at Moorabbin: https://www.aarg.com.au/dauphin-2-helicopter.html) with VH-PVA and VH-PVK added in 1986. The latter both exported to France for parts according to AustAirData, though I see PVK was with CQ Rescue for a while after its time with Victoria Police. There was a time when the AS365 was somewhat popular for EMS work in Australia with machines also with SLSA at 3 bases and also with CareFlight. The only Dauphin with skids that I am aware came onto the Australian register was a SA365C-3, VH-HRM with SLSA in Newcastle. Sadly it was destroyed in an accident, but luckily not fatal.

Democritus 27th Dec 2022 13:18

On 9 September 1974, a few days after he was at the Farnborough Show, the test pilot Roland Coffignot flew up to see us so we could do an assessment of the SA360. It was F-WSQX, the second prototype, and although I enjoyed flying it we didn't take the project any further.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0408be9635.jpg

ATN 27th Dec 2022 13:19

[QUOTE=John Eacott;11354882]Aerospatiale SA360. I first flew in one in 1974 leaving Farnborough Airshow to Battersea 👍



https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e4191bd576.jpg
This is a single engine AS 360. Look at the exhaust nozzle.

RVDT 27th Dec 2022 18:29

Those old C models ex HKGFS ended up in Australia. Well somebody thought they were a "good deal". Basically just rotten when they arrived and slowly disapeared by attrition.

ShyTorque 28th Dec 2022 16:36


Originally Posted by RVDT (Post 11355196)
Those old C models ex HKGFS ended up in Australia. Well somebody thought they were a "good deal". Basically just rotten when they arrived and slowly disapeared by attrition.


Thats no surprise. HKGFS aircraft work hard in a corrosive environment. I’ve even seen shiny brass turn purple in a few weeks and the gold plated contacts of avionics deteriorate in short order. The RAF sold its HK based Wessex to Uruguay and that didn’t end too well for the buyer.

Helicopterdriverguy 28th Dec 2022 17:40

Nice 365 flew in her last year at her home base in Hungary

Bravo73 28th Dec 2022 20:04


Originally Posted by Helicopterdriverguy (Post 11355679)
Nice 365 flew in her last year at her home base in Hungary

HA-BOS, an SA365C3:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsr...=isch&q=HA-BOS

John Eacott 30th Dec 2022 10:21

[QUOTE=ATN;11355078]

Originally Posted by John Eacott (Post 11354882)
Aerospatiale SA360. I first flew in one in 1974 leaving Farnborough Airshow to Battersea 👍



https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e4191bd576.jpg
This is a single engine AS 360. Look at the exhaust nozzle.

Absolutely: I didn't look hard enough, as I followed the thread title 'single engine skidded helicopter'. Mea Culpa :hmm:

rsevo 4th Jan 2023 10:30

World War Z with Brad Pitt is a good one for spotting these. The film seems to feature most of the Dauphin family!


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