HEMS AS350 Christmas Valley OR 19th May 2022
Four injured in Airlink helicopter crash at Christmas Valley airport | KATUWednesday, May 18th 2022 |
There's not much information to go on. It definitely seems rather unusual to crash while landing at an airport in day vmc conditions.
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It was pretty windy that day out here.
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I just wonder how you seat three (3) "cabin crew" in a 350 in Ambulance configuration?
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evil7 1 Pilot, 2 med crew 1 Patient... And still tight.... very very tight.
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They were landing to pick up a patient.
3rd crew member could have been in training or needed for the patient. just thinking back on situations I have flown In HAA. Tight doesn’t justify the condition in a 350 or even a 407 with 3 in the back. Even worse with a ballon pump or NICU isolette |
Originally Posted by evil7
(Post 11233280)
I just wonder how you seat three (3) "cabin crew" in a 350 in Ambulance configuration?
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@Winnie - it said three cabin „crew“. That would not include a patient. Therefore my comment.
@havoc - even if the third member was a trainee, where would he sit? You think he laid on the stretcher?😉 @ LRP - what middle seat? All „stretcher“ configurations I know have a pilot up front, two seats (one half of the four row bench) behind him and the stretcher beside the pilot from front to back. So in the whole aircraft there only are three seats (incl. pilot) and a stretcher. So to my knowledge no chance of three „cabin crew“. But you never stop learning, so maybe you can point out another lay-out to me. |
Originally Posted by evil7
(Post 11233806)
so maybe you can point out another lay-out to me.
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Aircraft Weight and Balance
Depending on fuel load, passenger weights and locations in the cabin, the aircraft could have been operating at or in excess weight and Balance limits.
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Originally Posted by evil7
(Post 11233806)
@Winnie - it said three cabin „crew“. That would not include a patient. Therefore my comment.
@havoc - even if the third member was a trainee, where would he sit? You think he laid on the stretcher?😉 @ LRP - what middle seat? All „stretcher“ configurations I know have a pilot up front, two seats (one half of the four row bench) behind him and the stretcher beside the pilot from front to back. So in the whole aircraft there only are three seats (incl. pilot) and a stretcher. So to my knowledge no chance of three „cabin crew“. But you never stop learning, so maybe you can point out another lay-out to me. |
I assume this flight originated in Bend....and would have been no refuel in Christmas Valley.....so about a 160NM round trip plus daytime Reserve and zero burn fuel?
Four folks plus picking up a Patient....Adult, Child, or Infant? Certainly not an Isolate flight as there would not have been room for for four Adults....or am I wrong in thinking that? My experience was a Neo-Nate Flight involving an Isolette involved an extra Med Crew or even two....but my experience was in 412's for that work. |
Bend airport to Christmas Valley is only 57NM, and the airport is at 4320 MSL. All well within the performance envelope of a maximum GWT B3. Weather was 6000 SCT to clear, however, high winds in the area gusting to 30 knots. Also, note the RFM HIGE/HOGE performance charts stipulate: NO WIND.
FWIW, the pictures I have seen seem to show the wreckage off aiport near a road. I have heard 4th crew was in training and if the patient wasn't a child, could have been left at the airport with the ambulance crew (that is not that unusual in the HAA world I came from). |
Hallo LRP, would you have a picture or drawing of that "half extra seat" lay-out? All stretcher configs I have seen so far would mean that - if you put in another seat "directly behind the litter" - you would sit on the patients head (see picture)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....492b41e39a.jpg A photo of your desciption would be appreciated. I would class such a lay-oüt as "ridicuolus" :eek::} |
Originally Posted by evil7
(Post 11234213)
a picture or drawing of that "half extra seat" lay-out?
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cda2a729db.png https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9ba1124252.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f034138be3.jpg |
Originally Posted by wrench1
(Post 11234224)
There are several variations from different vendors. Last pic is of the accident aircraft with 3 seats across the back.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cda2a729db.png https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9ba1124252.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f034138be3.jpg On the brighter side, the CRFS seems to be working fine👍🏻 |
Originally Posted by evil7
(Post 11234213)
Hallo LRP, would you have a picture or drawing of that "half extra seat" lay-out? All stretcher configs I have seen so far would mean that - if you put in another seat "directly behind the litter" - you would sit on the patients head (see picture)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....492b41e39a.jpg A photo of your desciption would be appreciated. I would class such a lay-oüt as "ridicuolus" :eek::} |
Are the three bulkhead (Med Crew) Seats certified as being crashworthy?
If so...does stowing equipment and other items beneath them conform with the requirements for those crashworthy seats? We once ran into such a problem at my Operator when our designers built in a small compartment under such a certified seat and we had to remove it. Advanced Care capability requires a lot of gear....and stowage has always been a difficult thing to accommodate without compromising something else. Access to the patient in small aircraft is one such issue....as in some aircraft there just isn't room to grant enough access should the patient begin to crater enroute. Air Methods has long had an excellent engineering and design capability. |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11234306)
If so...does stowing equipment and other items beneath them conform with the requirements for those crashworthy seats?.
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Originally Posted by wrench1
(Post 11234320)
While my info is dated, none the medical interiors I installed had E-A seats in the back which allowed stuff to be stored under them like the factory bench seat.
I'm pretty certain there is a placard that reads "do not store anything under all the seats" [sic] in the factory bench seat equipped cabin. At least in the older models that i've flown. We always joked that this placard is actually a bit ambiguous, as it could technically allow us to store something under *some* of the seats. Anyways, that cabin layout is absolutely ridiculous. But I'd be very surprised if they were running these machines with stuff stored in a non-approved way. |
Originally Posted by lelebebbel
(Post 11234362)
I'm pretty certain there is a placard that reads "do not store anything under all the seats" [sic] in the factory bench seat equipped cabin. At least in the older models that i've flown.
But I'd be very surprised if they were running these machines with stuff stored in a non-approved way. |
Why did the helicopter crash?
Mechanical failure....pilot error? Any information out that begins to address the cause of the crash? Daytime...decent weather....windy....and it crashed during landing.....so what went wrong? Another ASplat hydraulic problem? |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11234875)
Another ASplat hydraulic problem? |
Engine failure? All the parts looked to be right next to the aircraft cabin and fuselage?
Main Rotor blades did not seem to show much rotational damage on the leading edges. Same for the Tail Rotor Blades from what is visible. It was windy....but they were landing at the airport....not some confined area. Christmas Valley is pretty much out in an open Plain....no mountains very close as I recall. News reports are saying the landed hard then rolled over. Seems some folks are being pretty tight lipped.....even the pprune Accident Investigation Crowd. |
NTSB prelim confirms pprune posted information. And nothing more.
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Any logical reason for the NTSB not to travel to the crash scene?
Would not that be a great place to initiate an Accident Investigation....survey the location of all the bits and pieces....photograph everything....identify any witnesses...locate security cameras and that kind of thing? |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11240876)
Any logical reason for the NTSB not to travel to the crash scene?
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