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Robbiee 19th Feb 2022 22:15

Video of a Robbie going down in Miami 19th Feb 2022
 

Good Vibs 19th Feb 2022 23:03

Don’t people autorotate anymore?
what a hard landing!

[email protected] 20th Feb 2022 02:34

Well, whatever the cause, you can't blame the weather for this one! Did he suddenly see the parakites and try to push underneath them? Very odd.

jumpseater 20th Feb 2022 05:34

at 1.04 theres what appears to be a white flash just forward of the tail rotor. It occurs as it passes the end of the wake in the background. Might be a trick of the light but it seems to accelerate after that

Hot and Hi 20th Feb 2022 06:06

The usual sensationalist reporting. My take on it:

- Engine failure with attempted autorotation
- The helicopter was under directional control during the 'approach' - that's why they avoided the beach and the swimmers
- The helicopter was under directional control during the 'approach', aiming to ditch as close to the shore are practical - that saved their lives
- It's difficult to see, but it looks like they allowed RRPM to decay and the blades were coning up - thereby rendering the flare ineffective

Water, normally hard as concrete, might just have softened up a bit for them. While they didn't actually walk away from the scene, they made it out alive.

Non-PC Plod 20th Feb 2022 07:00

It seems to flare, but rate of descent if anything increases in the last second.

Bell_ringer 20th Feb 2022 07:29

So flying over water, auto to land isn't an option due to people, whatever happened about float requirements or sufficient altitude to make it to shore?

MENELAUS 20th Feb 2022 09:31


Originally Posted by Bell_ringer (Post 11186916)
So flying over water, auto to land isn't an option due to people, whatever happened about float requirements or sufficient altitude to make it to shore?


Water on this occasion was the best place for all concerned. Including the public. As to height the segment doesn’t show what height he started from. He may have been in autorotation for some time and allowed Nr to decay at the end.
Floats ? You don’t want a Robbie on floats.

Bell_ringer 20th Feb 2022 09:45


Originally Posted by MENELAUS (Post 11186963)
Floats ? You don’t want a Robbie on floats.

It's not about what you want or not, it is what the regulations require.
If you have no option but to ditch, then you should be on floats for everyone's safety.
The US may be different, in most other parts of the world, you are legally required to get to shore or have floats and related water safety gear.
If this isn't acceptable then you shouldn't be in a single piston over water.

ersa 20th Feb 2022 10:11

Robinson released a safely bulletin a short while back regarding governor issues.

Hot and Hi 20th Feb 2022 12:05

governor non-issues...

airplanecrazy 20th Feb 2022 13:16

From this video, I think the registration is N544SB:

Robbiee 20th Feb 2022 14:33


Originally Posted by MENELAUS (Post 11186963)
You don’t want a Robbie on floats.

Having flown an R22 Mariner I feel I must take the bait. Why do I not want a Robbie on floats?

admikar 20th Feb 2022 15:27


Originally Posted by Bell_ringer (Post 11186972)
It's not about what you want or not, it is what the regulations require.
If you have no option but to ditch, then you should be on floats for everyone's safety.
The US may be different, in most other parts of the world, you are legally required to get to shore or have floats and related water safety gear.
If this isn't acceptable then you shouldn't be in a single piston over water.

I think he could have made it back to shore quite easily. Now, considering how crowded it was, was that the best choice?

[email protected] 20th Feb 2022 16:22


I think he could have made it back to shore quite easily. Now, considering how crowded it was, was that the best choice?
With such a crowded beach, the correct choice was to fly nowhere near it or high enough to land clear away from the beach - where he seems to have chosen to fly was definitely the wrong choice.

Hughes500 20th Feb 2022 16:52

I agree with the flash, looks like a blade hits the tailboom as the tip path plane seems to go way unstable and the rate of descent accelerates

Gordy 20th Feb 2022 17:01


Originally Posted by Robbiee (Post 11187094)
Having flown an R22 Mariner I feel I must take the bait. Why do I not want a Robbie on floats?

I have flown a Robinson on floats many times in a former life, and as long as you are cognizant of inverse roll, especially in autos, you will be fine. They just add a whole bunch of weight and drag from what I remember.

B2N2 20th Feb 2022 17:13


cognizant of inverse roll
Fixed wing idiot savante here, could you explain?

Robbiee 20th Feb 2022 17:45


Originally Posted by B2N2 (Post 11187163)
Fixed wing idiot savante here, could you explain?

When you bank the wind pushes up on the floats causing the aircraft to want to roll in the other direction.

MENELAUS 20th Feb 2022 19:26


Originally Posted by Gordy (Post 11187160)
I have flown a Robinson on floats many times in a former life, and as long as you are cognizant of inverse roll, especially in autos, you will be fine. They just add a whole bunch of weight and drag from what I remember.

Yes I was alluding to the weight and drag issues. Should have been clearer.


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