I think this will quite quickly boil down to straight fight between BIH and Draken/Airbus. Airbus have a huge amount of innovation and 'novelty' that they can bring to the table, and Draken have a proven pedigree of delievering SAR training (as Cobham and now as Draken). However BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know). I think any bid involving Airbus will be difficult to beat on sheer price alone, but reputation counts for a lot and BIH have provided the service very well, which has to count for a lot (one would hope!).
My money is on Draken personally as I have a good idea (having worked with them several times) how Airbus think - they will have done their homework on this one. In any event, it will be a great watch...popcorn at the ready. |
Originally Posted by rrekn
(Post 11062894)
To be fair to BIH, who wants to keep heading to the Falklands....
However, having also worked there in the past for BIH, over a total of 5 years, I can certainly say that the turnover of staff there was markedly higher than any of the other three organisations that I have flown for in my career. And I know of more than three local aircraft engineers, as well as base management staff, and at least one pilot (me), living in the Falklands, who chose to leave what on the face of it was an ideal job. (At the time I resigned, I did not have another job to go to). It was the unhappiest workforce I have ever been part of. However BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know). I think any bid involving Airbus will be difficult to beat on sheer price alone, but reputation counts for a lot and BIH have provided the service very well, which has to count for a lot (one would hope!) |
Seems some possible confusion here:
BIH = British International Helicopters - Falklands SAR BHL = Bristow Helicopters Limited - UK SAR |
Originally Posted by rogue leader
(Post 11063665)
Seems some possible confusion here:
BIH = British International Helicopters - Falklands SAR BHL = Bristow Helicopters Limited - UK SAR |
Well looks like BHL are out of the race then!
"I think this will quite quickly boil down to straight fight between BIH and Draken/Airbus" "BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know)" |
Originally Posted by rogue leader
(Post 11063679)
Well looks like BHL are out of the race then!
"I think this will quite quickly boil down to straight fight between BIH and Draken/Airbus" "BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know)" |
Originally Posted by rogue leader
(Post 11063679)
Well looks like BHL are out of the race then!
"I think this will quite quickly boil down to straight fight between BIH and Draken/Airbus" "BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know)" |
Originally Posted by finalchecksplease
(Post 11063847)
What do you base that on, they are shortlisted for lot 1,2 & 4 (see link above) so still in it, not?
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Originally Posted by jimf671
(Post 11005212)
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Rumour is Bristow won it but it’s being disputed. Didn’t hear who’s put in the complaint .
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Originally Posted by Franks Town
(Post 11068267)
Rumour is Bristow won it but it’s being disputed. Didn’t hear who’s put in the complaint .
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I think it's standard practice to dispute the contract award. It will probably reveal additional information about the bid - it's a form of intelligence gathering.
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Airbus Helicopters UK LTD
Only bidding for the whole thing (Lot 4). Do we take from this that such a big outfit is only interested in a contract of sufficient size to extract a decent amount of profit? Are we going to have to deal with a Super Puma public backlash? This time, is this more about recovering a battered reputation? Draken expected to provide some solid SAR skills. Bristow Helicopters Ltd The incumbent has won all but four of the twenty-odd UK SAR contracts and are providing a good service. They know how to do this. They have emerged from rough times and merged with ERA. Apparently undiminished in their SAR ambition. I wouldn't bet against them. EEA Helicopters Operations B.V. Parent of CHC who are a former UK SAR contractor. Also been down a rocky road and come out the other end. Current Irish Coastguard SAR incumbent. They know how to do this. Referred to the CMA over their purchase of part of Babcock's helicopter operation. Serco Limited One-time electronics company turned general government contractor perhaps in a similar vein to Babcock. Always had some aviation involvement, including aircraft maintenance and airfield support services for the RAF. Expected helicopter partner unconfirmed. I know you'll all help me out if I got any of that wrong. :rolleyes: |
Serco Out
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Has anyone with SAR knowledge ever seen a recent UK HMCG’s operational organisation chart, showing JRCC, NMOC, MRCCs etc, and how the organisation dovetails together?
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I hear that the Draken Academy at Newquay has just gone under. I wonder how this will affect the Draken/Airbus bid for UKSAR2G?...I am sure it won't help as it will hurt their reputation if nothing else. One of their selling points was the fact that they had a school where they could train new candidates and 'feed' the SAR contract from the bottom up. Sad news for the guys in Cornwall.
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
(Post 11104738)
I hear that the Draken Academy at Newquay has just gone under. I wonder how this will affect the Draken/Airbus bid for UKSAR2G?...I am sure it won't help as it will hurt their reputation if nothing else. One of their selling points was the fact that they had a school where they could train new candidates and 'feed' the SAR contract from the bottom up. Sad news for the guys in Cornwall.
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Originally Posted by TUPE
(Post 11104809)
Thing is though whoever wins will have to provide some medium / long range SAR with a 92 airframe cheers |
Originally Posted by chopper2004
(Post 11105237)
Thing is though whoever wins will have to provide some medium / long range SAR with a 92 airframe
There are other aircraft which meet the requirements of Lot 2. |
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