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Channel Flyer 19th Nov 2020 12:42


Originally Posted by helipixman (Post 10930111)
I see 2-BYDF flew to Bournemouth Hurn on 12th November.... is this it's new base or just a stop on its way to her new owners ?


I believe she didn’t go to Bournemouth at all. Flew to near Yeovil. Buyer lives close. Flight Radar24 may have said otherwise but no, didn’t go to Bournemouth.

Bravo73 19th Nov 2020 13:23


Originally Posted by Channel Flyer (Post 10930247)
Flew to near Yeovil. Buyer lives close.

Was it an historic moment?

500e 19th Nov 2020 14:18

Not necessarily so

Droop Snoot 19th Nov 2020 14:25


Originally Posted by Channel Flyer (Post 10930010)
Are you certain the D blades would have fit? I’m certain they wouldn’t and I doubt Sikorsky would even allow it.


They would indeed fit, but in terms of airworthiness, they are not certified.:=

gulliBell 19th Nov 2020 22:30

I would imagine a new set of D-blades would be worth more than the whole helicopter....

noooby 20th Nov 2020 04:05


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10930575)
I would imagine a new set of D-blades would be worth more than the whole helicopter....

Quite possibly. A guy here in Canada just bought three C++ for 1.5mil US$.

Not each, that is the total cost for all three machines. 500k each! For C++!!

Looks like he is keeping one for private and selling two.

gulliBell 20th Nov 2020 10:43

That sounds about right, $500K for a C++. If it were me I'd keep one C++ as my private weekend getaway ride and break the other two down for spares. I like the C++, if only they weren't so expense to run.

malabo 21st Nov 2020 04:12

20 years ago we were costing the A++ at $1100/hr when bidding contracts, but they were the old phase 2 and didn't have the expensive bits of the C++ like DECU, EFIS, IIDS, FDC.
Helicopters seem to age out in some countries/markets and not in others. Lots of old 212's, 412's, 76's still working here, and yet the local "money-no-object" medvac charities that bought the latest and greatest fleet of AW139 have dumped them all now in favour of even newer EC145 (Noooby, any insights?). Hell, a couple days ago I overheard an old Bell 47 call sign that I had done training in 30 years ago that was still out there beating the sky for a living. Wondered how old it was and it turned out to be 68 (1952 manufacture). So that 76A++ in good nick still has a long run ahead of it.

gulliBell 21st Nov 2020 10:40

I dare say the fuel bill alone would be close to $1100/hr today.

Brother 21st Nov 2020 23:55


I dare say the fuel bill alone would be close to $1100/hr today.
At a burn of 360 litres per hour How much do to pay for your Jet A1?

helimutt 22nd Nov 2020 12:27

2-BYDF burns around 600lbs of fuel per hour. Is one of the fastest S76’s I’ve ever flown and was super smooth. The monthly running costs were impressive due to the fact she is so reliable. In 6 years I only ever had one occasion where we couldn’t depart the island due to a mechanical issue, which I have to add was fully rectified by 10am the next day. Impressive when you think of the logistics involved.

I hope she goes on to provide many more years of service to the new owners if they can get the maintenance coverage they’ll need for it.

noooby 24th Nov 2020 17:16


Originally Posted by malabo (Post 10931342)
20 years ago we were costing the A++ at $1100/hr when bidding contracts, but they were the old phase 2 and didn't have the expensive bits of the C++ like DECU, EFIS, IIDS, FDC.
Helicopters seem to age out in some countries/markets and not in others. Lots of old 212's, 412's, 76's still working here, and yet the local "money-no-object" medvac charities that bought the latest and greatest fleet of AW139 have dumped them all now in favour of even newer EC145 (Noooby, any insights?). Hell, a couple days ago I overheard an old Bell 47 call sign that I had done training in 30 years ago that was still out there beating the sky for a living. Wondered how old it was and it turned out to be 68 (1952 manufacture). So that 76A++ in good nick still has a long run ahead of it.

When the Provincial Govt give you an EC145 for free and the Federal Govt give you four EC145 for free, you find that your fleet suddenly becomes the EC145. And then the STARS CEO had to issue an apology for reporting to CBC Saskatoon that the 139's were being retired because they were "technologically outdated". Ouch. I believe Ornge are still operating the 139?

Arcal76 26th Nov 2020 18:19

Yes, we still operate the 139 and it will not change anytime soon after installing the huge Mod stretcher to please our medics....How can we go to a smaller machine now when this stretcher won' fit anywhere else ??
Cost is high, maintenance horrible with aircraft down for 2 months for heavy maintenance. An expensive tool....

MLHeliwrench 29th Nov 2020 22:16


Originally Posted by Arcal76 (Post 10935295)
Yes, we still operate the 139 and it will not change anytime soon after installing the huge Mod stretcher to please our medics....How can we go to a smaller machine now when this stretcher won' fit anywhere else ??
Cost is high, maintenance horrible with aircraft down for 2 months for heavy maintenance. An expensive tool....

they could at least paint them with a product/colour that lasts - it’s embarrassing

Dave B 1st Dec 2020 12:44

Two months for heavy maintenance, ? we used to be able to do a major check on a 212 in Two weeks, I thought progress meant improving things.

noooby 1st Dec 2020 20:17


Originally Posted by Dave B (Post 10938157)
Two months for heavy maintenance, ? we used to be able to do a major check on a 212 in Two weeks, I thought progress meant improving things.

Don't blame the machine. Oil and Gas operators, who staff their bases properly, do get the inspections done quicker. We used to do the 300 hour in 3 days. A 4 year would be a couple weeks. As for "cost is high", a 139 is cheaper to purchase than a 76D and the DoC's are proven to be very close, if not better than a 76C++ (don't know DoC's for a 76D sorry). O&G operators proved that over and over again.
76's were perfect for mechanics though. They're job security because something always breaks. All the mechanics said I'd be first out of a job because I only worked on the 139 and there wasn't much to do compared to the 76.

nomorehelosforme 1st Dec 2020 23:14


Originally Posted by helimutt (Post 10909168)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....02d180376.jpeg
As she now sits. She flew very smoothly and was a fast 76 compared to others.

That is a fine looking machine for the money, I appreciate running and maintenance costs but would a low hour using VIP be happier with this as opposed to say a newer 109..... I am a bit of a snob, so who would have the bragging rights on arrival at Ascot, Goodwood or Silverstone?

Evil Twin 2nd Dec 2020 04:55


Originally Posted by Dave B (Post 10938157)
Two months for heavy maintenance, ? we used to be able to do a major check on a 212 in Two weeks, I thought progress meant improving things.

I know of an operation that takes three months to do an annual on a 412 :rolleyes:

ericferret 2nd Dec 2020 10:20


Originally Posted by noooby (Post 10938415)
Don't blame the machine. Oil and Gas operators, who staff their bases properly, do get the inspections done quicker. We used to do the 300 hour in 3 days. A 4 year would be a couple weeks. As for "cost is high", a 139 is cheaper to purchase than a 76D and the DoC's are proven to be very close, if not better than a 76C++ (don't know DoC's for a 76D sorry). O&G operators proved that over and over again.
76's were perfect for mechanics though. They're job security because something always breaks. All the mechanics said I'd be first out of a job because I only worked on the 139 and there wasn't much to do compared to the 76.


I remember a shift supervisor (A.S.) at Air Hanson who said

" I won't hear a bad word said about the S76, the overtime is paying my mortgage."!!!!


As for heavy maintenance it depends exactly what you are doing. A heavy check on a 139 is about 2 weeks.
We did a G check on a 365 in twelve weeks. That included a full bare metal respray and a complete gut of the aircraft down to the fuselage on jacks tailboom off, with just the looms and long hydraulic lines in situ. Canopy structure replaced as well.

The S76's didn't have a heavy check all work was carried out as a continuous process. Can't say I agreed with that but it worked.

Each operator does it's own thing.


Douglas Marins 1st Aug 2023 23:48

O'lá, Ainda sabe do paradeiro dessas maquinas ?????

Preciso de 2 urgente


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