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megan 4th Jun 2020 02:59

NTSB calling for helo flight data recorders
 
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...ts/ASR2004.pdf

Nubian 4th Jun 2020 11:24

3 year old document?

JimEli 4th Jun 2020 14:47


Originally Posted by Nubian (Post 10801915)
3 year old document?

Released 5/19/2020.

CGameProgrammerr 4th Jun 2020 21:44

In summary: they recommend (not mandate) that most new turbine-powered helicopters (including R66) get audio/visual recorders as standard equipment, and that they become available for installation on existing turbine helicopters. Pistons are exempt.

aerolearner 4th Jun 2020 22:39


Originally Posted by CGameProgrammerr (Post 10802424)
they recommend (not mandate)

Under the principle of separation of powers in aviation, accident investigation agencies such as the NTSB cannot mandate any prevention measure. Their safety recommendations have to be accepted and mandated by the regulation authorities, such as the FAA. Otherwise, in principle, the NTSB could be called one day to investigate their own regulations.

Robbo Jock 5th Jun 2020 11:18

Why not pistons? You are just as likely to smack an R44 into a hillside as an R66, for example, so why have evidence of one and not the other?

Nubian 5th Jun 2020 15:15


Originally Posted by JimEli (Post 10802103)
Released 5/19/2020.

Thanks, missed that.


Why not pistons? You are just as likely to smack an R44 into a hillside as an R66, for example, so why have evidence of one and not the other?
Should be mandatory for all commercial ops, regardless of engine number and type.

212man 8th Jun 2020 13:10

They have been saying this for years. The report specifically mentions the 2005 Copterline 103 accident (although not by name), and the usefulness of the CVFDR in the investigation - the lack of FDR data is discussed at length in the NSB report into the ERA S76 CFIT in 2004: http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...s/AAR06-02.pdf (specific reference to 103 on page 57)

JimEli 8th Jun 2020 13:51


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10805768)
They have been saying this for years. The report specifically mentions the 2005 Copterline 103 accident (although not by name), and the usefulness of the CVFDR in the investigation - the lack of FDR data is discussed at length in the NSB report into the ERA S76 CFIT in 2004: http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...s/AAR06-02.pdf (specific reference to 103 on page 57)

Originally, the mentioned S-76 accident aircraft required an FDR. The operator petitioned the FAA and was granted an exemption from FAR 135.152, to permit the company to operate the accident helicopter without an FDR. Then the FAA exempted older aircraft from the requirement by FAR amendment.


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