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Carbon Bootprint 2nd May 2020 13:12

1 dead, 1 injured in HPD chopper crash
 
HOUSTON – One officer was killed and the other one is in surgery after a Houston Police Department helicopter crashed early Saturday in an apartment complex in north Houston, according to local officials.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/l...north-houston/



HOUSTON – One officer was killed, and the other officer is in critical condition after a Houston Police Department helicopter crashed early Saturday in an apartment complex in north Houston, according to local officials.

Houston Police Department Chief Art Acevedo identified Jason Knox, 35, as the tactical flight officer involved in the crash and later died at the hospital. He was the son of Houston councilmember at-large Mike Knox.

Acevedo said Jason Knox was a "good man.”

“If someone would have told me, a few hours later, we would have an aircraft down,” Acevedo said. “We would lose a really good man. I would have said no way.”

Knox had been with the police department for eight and half years and had been with their air unit for one year and three months,

HPD also asked for prayers for senior police officer Chase Cormier, 35, who was airlifted to Memorial Hermann hospital and went into surgery Saturday morning. Acevedo said the pilot was “very banged up." At a news briefing Saturday afternoon, Acevedo said Cormier was out of surgery and conscious.

According to HPD, Cormier was sworn in as an HPD officer in July 2006. He is currently assigned to the Air & Marine Divison. Cormier has been with the air support unit for three years.

During a news conference at the Texas Medical Center, Mayor Sylvester Turner called it a bad morning.

“I ask for the city of Houston to continue to lift up both families, especially lift up the family of the police officer that has died... At the same time, lift up the entire HPD family."


Here is what happened

The HPD crash was reported at about 2 a.m. at the Biscayne At Cityview Apartment complex located at 17050 Imperial Valley Drive, near the Greenspoint neighborhood.

According to Acevedo, the two officers were in the 75 Fox helicopter from the Houston Police Department’s Air Operations Unit and were investigating reports of bodies floating in a bayou.

“They responded right before 2 a.m. and within minutes we got reports from the Houston Forensic Science Center crime scene unit that was working a murder scene at the 17000 block of Imperial Valley that our helicopter had gone down,” Acevedo said.

Officials from the Houston Fire Department, the Houston Police Department and the Harris County Sheriff’s Office all rushed to the scene, Acevedo said.

The pilot and the co-pilot were trapped in the wreckage for a while as crews worked to get them out.

Firefighters “worked feverishly to extricate and cut the pilots out. They literally had to cut the pilots out of the wreckage,” Acevedo said.

Once freed, the officers were airlifted to Memorial Hermann hospital for treatment and both were in critical condition with serious injuries, Acevedo said.

“The wreckage was pretty significant,” Acevedo said. “There were no flames involved and that’s been a blessing. And the silver lining. The other silver lining was the pilot was able to avoid the apartment buildings."

None of the residents of the apartment complex were injured in the crash.

“They were able to avoid going into the actual apartment buildings where people were sleeping and were able to, basically, they clipped a part of the clubhouse,” Acevedo said.

The injured pilot and technical flight officer’s families were picked up and rushed to the hospital.

What’s next?

The investigation into the HPD helicopter crash will be extensive, according to Acevedo.

The National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Agency will conduct investigations, along with the Houston Police Department. In a briefing Saturday afternoon, Acevedo said the joint investigation could take weeks, if not months.

HPD will approach the crash as a homicide investigation.

“We have lost one of our own," Acevedo said. "We won’t leave any stone unturned as part of our investigation until the cause of this crash. We will look at it from a criminal standpoint to make sure there was no criminal activity that led to this tragic incident.”

Acevedo said the department was going to shut down flights until further notice as a precautionary measure as investigations continue. Meanwhile, HPD will get flight support from the Department of Public Safety and the Harris County Air Operations Division.

At about 3 a.m., while police were at the crash site, Acevedo said that shots rang out across the street and six suspects were taken into custody. Acevedo said this was a separate incident that was unrelated to the crash.

nomorehelosforme 2nd May 2020 20:20

Helicopter involved was an MD 369E reg N8375F The helicopter had been involved in a previous incident in May 2016 where it was shot at and took 5 rounds from an AR-15 which according to the report caused substantial damage.

Carbon Bootprint 2nd May 2020 20:59

Interesting. Thanks for the additional details, NMHFM.

mreed911 3rd May 2020 01:23

Reportedly searching for bodies floating in a bayou and clipped a building. Several tall structures in the area of that bayou and just west of it.

aa777888 3rd May 2020 12:17

Some video of the incident. Fair warning that some may not want to watch it, or, in this particular case, listen to it.


gulliBell 3rd May 2020 14:43

Not sure why you'd be out at 2 am searching for bodies. You'd think it's a task that could wait a few hours until daylight.

OvertHawk 3rd May 2020 15:00


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10771393)
Not sure why you'd be out at 2 am searching for bodies. You'd think it's a task that could wait a few hours until daylight.

If there had been a report of a body in the water then I imagine most police forces would respond immediately on the off-chance that the body might still be alive!


Carbon Bootprint 3rd May 2020 15:20


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10771393)
Not sure why you'd be out at 2 am searching for bodies. You'd think it's a task that could wait a few hours until daylight.

I don't know the answer to this, other than I think HPD's Air Support Division pretty much always has something in the air, weather permitting. The scene was apparently hot, with a Crime Scene Unit already there. Other than that, details are apparently sketchy. Today's article in the Houston Chronicle does not add much. It provides a history of HPD air ops and previous incidents, though its reference to the 2016 incident does not mention that 75Fox was the unit involved.

The link below has audio and a transcript of the radio traffic between the first on scene and dispatchers. It might be unsettling to some.

https://abc13.com/helicopter-crash-h...ition/6144893/



MightyGem 3rd May 2020 19:35


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10771393)
Not sure why you'd be out at 2 am searching for bodies. You'd think it's a task that could wait a few hours until daylight.

I used to fly for the Police, if we'd had a report of a body(s) in the water, we'd launch to look. Why wouldn't you if the weather's suitable?

Ascend Charlie 4th May 2020 02:38

Bodies in the water were a job for the Water Police. But sometimes they would push the body onto the shore and call for the regular cops. And they would nudge it back into the water. Nobody wanted to touch a body that was floating, as it would have been in the water for a few days, was awfully smelly, and the new home for a bunch of sea critters.

I never did a night search for a report of a body, though we would go out if it was a plane going down or a mayday from a boat. Otherwise, a body didn't need urgent attention unless it was likely to drift away and sink again.

Scattercat 4th May 2020 06:31

Question: Is this service NVIS equipped? Is this capability routinely employed in police op's in the USA?

[email protected] 4th May 2020 07:36

If you are going to assume a body in the water could still be alive, why would you send anything except a winch equipped helicopter with a rescue crewman?

Unless you coordinate surface craft as well your non-winch equipped helicopter can just sit and watch someone drown.

Michael Gee 4th May 2020 09:07

Is it not that a body in the water will not surface until days later ?

aa777888 4th May 2020 10:53


Originally Posted by Scattercat (Post 10771869)
Question: Is this service NVIS equipped? Is this capability routinely employed in police op's in the USA?

Unknown, and yes.

[email protected] 4th May 2020 13:50


Originally Posted by Michael Gee (Post 10772024)
Is it not that a body in the water will not surface until days later ?

If the person is not wearing a flotation device when they go into the water then the body will usually submerge until the decomposition process creates gas in the cavities helping it float to the surface again.

As AC says, no-one wants to touch bodies that have been in the water for a while, the flesh strips easily from the bones if you try to pick them up and they smell to high heaven.

Gordy 4th May 2020 15:37


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10771934)
If you are going to assume a body in the water could still be alive, why would you send anything except a winch equipped helicopter with a rescue crewman?

Unless you coordinate surface craft as well your non-winch equipped helicopter can just sit and watch someone drown.

A lot of places over here just short haul people. Many videos out there for you to look up.

[email protected] 4th May 2020 17:16


Originally Posted by Gordy (Post 10772344)
A lot of places over here just short haul people. Many videos out there for you to look up.

Try doing that with a decomposing body and see how far you get :)

I presume by short haul, you mean rescue basket or similar - no problem with that as long as the casualty can get themselves into it which means they must be conscious and relatively uninjured. For an injured casualty there is no substitute for putting a rescue swimmer or winchman into the water with them.

wrench1 4th May 2020 17:28

FYI: I think it should be noted that the "body of water" being described is nothing more than a rather large "drainage ditch" flowing through an urban area. If it's the Greens Bayou I'm thinking of, one could probably throw a rope across it with a little effort in the area of the accident. But I have to agree with not wanting to pull the body out if it's been there for awhile.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2d676446b4.jpg

Gordy 4th May 2020 19:14


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10772440)
Try doing that with a decomposing body and see how far you get :)

I presume by short haul, you mean rescue basket or similar - no problem with that as long as the casualty can get themselves into it which means they must be conscious and relatively uninjured. For an injured casualty there is no substitute for putting a rescue swimmer or winchman into the water with them.

Nope, talking live bodies, dead ones can wait and be fished out with a net. Like I said, you do not always need a winch. We do lots of human cargo loads all day long on powerline work, and one of my former pilots does HEC rescues for Sonoma County SO in California.


MightyGem 4th May 2020 19:53


I never did a night search for a report of a body,
Did quite a few in our local river, usually because it wasn't known if it was alive or dead and usually in conjunction with the local Inshore Lifeboat. As I said: why wouldn't you?


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