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whiskylima 2nd Apr 2020 11:26

Bell 47G Pilot seating position
 
Traditionally, most helicopters are flown by the PIC from the right hand seat whereas the Bell 47G appears to be invariably flown from the left hand seat. I was wondering what the reason is for this. Any suggestions would be gratefully received. Many thanks.

Davey Emcee 2nd Apr 2020 11:42

American machine

Hilico 2nd Apr 2020 12:53

American like the Robinsons, which you fly from the...right.

whiskylima 2nd Apr 2020 13:35

Thanks for those replies but other US machines like the Jet Ranger and the Huey plus a host of others, are predominantly flown from the right.

malabo 2nd Apr 2020 13:38

500 is flown from left too. Leans left from counterclockwise rotation of main blades, easier to longline, plus you are leaning over the collective instead of reaching back for it. 47 we'd jam 2 passengers in beside the pilot, better that they were not near the collective, so same seating as the 500. After a while you get indifferent to what side you sit on, in anything.

JimEli 2nd Apr 2020 13:38

3 passenger bench seat put pilot on left

Spunk 2nd Apr 2020 13:56

And I thought this was a once in a lifetime opportunity to fly a Bell47 G and getting paid for it.:ooh:

whiskylima 2nd Apr 2020 14:38

That makes a lot of sense now, thank you.

Sir Korsky 2nd Apr 2020 15:07

IIRC, you could single pilot from either side, you just needed to switch the balance weight around. Feel free to update my failing memory.

md 600 driver 2nd Apr 2020 16:21

My 600 you flew from the left my friends 600 was right I think you can order either

Sloppy Link 2nd Apr 2020 16:53

Hangover from aeroplanes, throttle controls in a side by side configuration are in the middle of the aircraft hence pilot sits on the left, right hand (not being leftist!) being more precise to control the engines, the left hand can maintain flight control. Helicopters followed suit initially but very soon realised the control column/cyclic needed greater accuracy of control and the collective could be operated more agriculturally hence on the left. Second order consequence, the collective fouled ingress and egress, simple solution, move pilot to the right.
It’s a theory....

Rigga 2nd Apr 2020 17:08

I always thought it was to keep the pax away from the collective.

RVF750 2nd Apr 2020 18:11

I always thought the collective friction was used in flight...till I had my first (and only) lesson. Doh. Things they don't tell you in books. eh?

Davey Emcee 2nd Apr 2020 18:25


Originally Posted by Sir Korsky (Post 10737007)
IIRC, you could single pilot from either side, you just needed to switch the balance weight around. Feel free to update my failing memory.

You can fly from the rhs with dual controls fitted, but the starter button is on the left hand collective. Also you couldn't reach the fuel shut off control in an emergency.

212man 2nd Apr 2020 19:00

I thought this thread was about a job!

Senior Pilot 2nd Apr 2020 19:12


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10737238)
I thought this thread was about a job!

;)

So did I; thread title amended :ok:

Herod 2nd Apr 2020 21:16

I flew the 47 in training, many moons ago. Dual controls, with the student, and therefore solo flying, in the LHS. Does anyone know if there is one available for a trial lesson in UK? It's coming up 50 years since I last flew rotary, and i'd like to see if I can still manage to hover. Like riding a bike i'm told; you never forget.

Democritus 2nd Apr 2020 22:18

With some 47's we sat on our own up front.......

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....67b048fe12.jpg

ascj 3rd Apr 2020 11:12

As far as tradition goes it was the first so maybe the rest a wrong!!

megan 4th Apr 2020 04:31


Hangover from aeroplanes, throttle controls in a side by side configuration are in the middle of the aircraft hence pilot sits on the left, right hand (not being leftist!) being more precise to control the engines, the left hand can maintain flight control. Helicopters followed suit initially but very soon realised the control column/cyclic needed greater accuracy of control and the collective could be operated more agriculturally hence on the left. Second order consequence, the collective fouled ingress and egress, simple solution, move pilot to the right.
It’s a theory....
Researched this subject some time ago, and came up with the conclusion you can blame Igor. His machine only had one collective, placed between the two seats, he preferred flying from the left seat so students he was teaching flew from the right. When they went to an operational squadron guess which seat they preferred? Some veterans here will have experience with the single collective between the seats on the Sycamore. Know why PIC sits in the left on a FW? Early days of airline flying in Europe it was all VFR of course, and a decree was issued that aircraft would fly to the right of the navigational feature they were following (railway, road), left seat thus enhanced map reading ability. I could find no better answers.


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