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22to355 14th Feb 2020 22:48

VFR after 25th March 2020
 
Confusion reigns! Has anyone heard any clarification on what will happen after 25th March 2020 when the UK CAA ORS4 is cancelled and the 'clear of cloud' part is removed? 1000ft from cloud then is VFR? All thoughts very welcome! Cheers all..

ATCO Two 15th Feb 2020 07:32

See here http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/...312%20(V1).pdf

Hot and Hi 15th Feb 2020 07:41


Originally Posted by ATCO Two (Post 10688044)

In short ATCO, what does this mean for helicopters in the UK?

MightyGem 15th Feb 2020 20:53

See Appendix A, Table 2:

Alternatively, at or below 900 m (3 000 ft) amsl.
For aircraft including helicopters, flying at 140 kt IAS or less
Class G airspace (ORS4 no. 1341) Clear of cloud and with the surface in sight. 1500 m
Another 16 references to helicopters in there.

22to355 15th Feb 2020 22:20


Originally Posted by MightyGem (Post 10688606)
See Appendix A, Table 2:

Another 16 references to helicopters in there.

yes it does but only in Class G does it say Clear of Cloud. So Class D for example 1000ft separation?

MightyGem 16th Feb 2020 19:35


Originally Posted by 22to355 (Post 10688646)
yes it does but only in Class G does it say Clear of Cloud. So Class D for example 1000ft separation?

Special VFR? Down to 800m and 600ft it would appear in class D

22to355 16th Feb 2020 20:07

No that’s for Emergency Helicoptets etc.. Still 1000ft clear if cloud. Unless I’m reading it wrong 🙈

OvertHawk 16th Feb 2020 20:24


Originally Posted by 22to355 (Post 10689306)
No that’s for Emergency Helicoptets etc.. Still 1000ft clear if cloud. Unless I’m reading it wrong 🙈

Think you read it wrong - it's 800m viz / 600 feet cloud-base for helicopters under SVFR in class D and only the emergency operators listed may operate in less than that. At least that's how i read it.

OH

22to355 16th Feb 2020 20:48

But the 1000ft Separation from cloud seems to still hold? The ‘clear of cloud’ dropped?

NorthSouth 17th Feb 2020 10:29

Yes they're dropping 'clear of cloud' so if you are 999ft vertically from cloud you have to be on a SVFR clearance. Which of course means ATC has all the hassle of separating you from all IFR traffic - and indeed all other SVFRs.
And they're doing this without any warning, having promised last year to publish the results of the consultation they undertook, and the measures they are taking to respond to points made by consultees.
It will mean lots more transit delays and refusals.
And all so that the UK can say it's now fully aligned with SERA - the month after we have left the EU!

ShyTorque 17th Feb 2020 13:04

This is going to make getting in and out of London Heliport rather tricky, even in relatively good weather.

SFIM 17th Feb 2020 15:10

London tours where we deliberately don’t ask for SPVFR to avoid the increased separation criteria are going to become a problem ☹️

22to355 17th Feb 2020 15:56

2300 for Heathrow then.

HeliAl 18th Feb 2020 06:30

So what happens to GA airfields within class D
ie. Fairoaks and Denham.


PlasticCabDriver 18th Feb 2020 07:37

Aberdeen is going to be fun...

NorthSouth 18th Feb 2020 11:04


Originally Posted by HeliAl (Post 10690175)
So what happens to GA airfields within class D
ie. Fairoaks and Denham.

Deemed SVFR in their LFAs anyway so makes no difference unless you're heading into the London CTR proper.

ShyTorque 18th Feb 2020 14:37


Originally Posted by NorthSouth (Post 10690337)
Deemed SVFR in their LFAs anyway so makes no difference unless you're heading into the London CTR proper.

But it will be more interesting leaving Fairoaks after the newly published Farnborough CAS comes into force on 27th of this month.

SASless 18th Feb 2020 14:43

Don't you just love it when Rule changes simplify things!

How many CAA prosecutions for Rules Violations will come from this you think?

22to355 20th Feb 2020 13:19

https://www.caa.co.uk/News/Visual-fl...ss-D-airspace/

NorthSouth 20th Feb 2020 16:13


Originally Posted by ShyTorque (Post 10690469)
But it will be more interesting leaving Fairoaks after the newly published Farnborough CAS comes into force on 27th of this month.

Arguably easier since there will no longer be a need for "not above 1400ft QNH unless co-ordinated with Farnborough".


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