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chopper2004 13th Jan 2020 22:15

Leonardo TH-73A US Navy Advance Helicopter Training
 
Congratulations to Leonardo as Us Navy selects the AW119Ke as the new US Navy Advance Helicopter Training System replacing the legacy Bell TH-57C Sea Ranger.

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Nav...-01132020-1723From Program Executive Office Tactical Aircraft Programs Public Affairs

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (NNS) -- The U.S. Navy announced on Jan. 13, 2020 that AgustaWestland Philadelphia Corporation (Leonardo) was awarded a contract for $176.5M for the production of 32 TH-73A helicopters in support of the Advanced Helicopter Training System (AHTS) program.

“Today marks a great team effort to procure and deliver a helicopter trainer for the next generation of helicopter and tilt-rotor pilots for the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard,” said James F. Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition. “I’m proud of the aggressive work the team did to leverage the commercial industrial base to get this capability to the warfighters, and our nation, at the best value to the taxpayer. This effort is key to ensure the readiness of our Naval Aviators for decades to come.”

Five proposals were submitted for the contract. The new firm fixed price TH-73A contract was awarded on a best-value tradeoff basis with a base and three one-year options. The base year contract is for $176.5M for 32 aircraft. The total contract value is $648.1M for the procurement of 130 aircraft. Helicopter deliveries are scheduled to begin in calendar year 2020 and continue through calendar year 2024.

The new helicopter will meet advanced rotary wing and intermediate tilt-rotor training requirements for the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard through 2050. The TH-73A will be manufactured in United States with assembly taking place, through FAA Airworthiness certification, in the contractor’s FAA Part 21 facility in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

rrekn 14th Jan 2020 10:41

A wonder what they will name it? Koala may be un-bearable...

Lurching 14th Jan 2020 13:01


The new helicopter will meet advanced rotary wing and intermediate tilt-rotor training requirements for the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard through 2050.
How does that work?

Bravo73 14th Jan 2020 13:57

Is the ‘intermediate section’ of tilt-rotor training teaching fixed-wing pilots how to hover?

tottigol 14th Jan 2020 13:58


Originally Posted by Lurching (Post 10662704)
How does that work?

The DoD NAVY buys 130 helicopters, trains the instructors and the instructors train the students.
The whole package is turnkey and includes FSTDs.

tottigol 14th Jan 2020 14:00


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 10662737)
Is the ‘intermediate section’ of tilt-rotor training teaching fixed-wing pilots how to hover?

Have to start somewhere, however it's easier to make a hybrid pilot out of a helicopter pilot rather than from a fixed wing one.

Self loading bear 14th Jan 2020 17:39


Originally Posted by rrekn (Post 10662591)
A wonder what they will name it? Koala may be un-bearable...

Marsupial?

Aussierob 14th Jan 2020 23:50


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 10662943)
Marsupial?

Yes it is.

rrekn 15th Jan 2020 03:08

Drop-bear perhaps?



SimFlightTest 15th Jan 2020 12:25


Originally Posted by tottigol (Post 10662739)
The DoD NAVY buys 130 helicopters, trains the instructors and the instructors train the students.
The whole package is turnkey and includes FSTDs.

The FSTDs are actually part of a separate bid. The provider for the training services has yet to be determined.

S76Heavy 15th Jan 2020 17:29


Originally Posted by rrekn (Post 10662591)
A wonder what they will name it? Koala may be un-bearable...

That would be a Sea Koala, then..

SimFlightTest 15th Jan 2020 20:10

Does anybody know what autopilot Leonardo stuffed into the 119 to get it IFR. Is it the old analog SHZ-109A or SP-711?

Self loading bear 15th Jan 2020 21:55


Originally Posted by S76Heavy (Post 10663804)
That would be a Sea Koala, then..

So a she-bear?

or (as it is no bear) a cloaca?

ECL_FTE 16th Jan 2020 14:32


Originally Posted by SimFlightTest (Post 10663905)
Does anybody know what autopilot Leonardo stuffed into the 119 to get it IFR. Is it the old analog SHZ-109A or SP-711?

It's the Genesys avionics system. https://www.advancedhelicoptertraine...trum-training/

tottigol 18th Jan 2020 22:49


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 10663984)
So a she-bear?

or (as it is no bear) a cloaca?

We prefer to use cloaca for all Airbus products.

PDFDAviator 20th Jan 2020 01:40

Autopilot
 
The avionics (displays) are from Genesys. The only autopilot they (Genesys) has that is certified for IFR is the one used for the EC145e IFR certification with Metro Aviation using Genyses displays. I believe the autopilot used (and I could be wrong) for the Navy contract is the same one used for the 109 Trekker (don't have the model number) ...which also uses the same Genesys displays.

Copter Appreciator00 25th Jan 2020 19:59

the helicopter may be un-kaola-fied for the program after all.

Copter Appreciator00 25th Jan 2020 20:02

I was wondering what about the AW119 made it the choice? in what regards did it outduel the H135 and the bell 407? I suspect the open cabin forward-facing bench seat arrangement had something to do with it, as the 407 has the first pair of passanger seats facing rear. What else may have come into play in favor of the AW119?

havick 26th Jan 2020 02:45


Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00 (Post 10671508)
I was wondering what about the AW119 made it the choice? in what regards did it outduel the H135 and the bell 407? I suspect the open cabin forward-facing bench seat arrangement had something to do with it, as the 407 has the first pair of passanger seats facing rear. What else may have come into play in favor of the AW119?

SPIFR single engine with a PT6, decent cabin, good performance, cost effective.

Personal opinion, I think it was a wise choice.

rrekn 26th Jan 2020 23:23


Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00 (Post 10671508)
I was wondering what about the AW119 made it the choice? in what regards did it outduel the H135 and the bell 407? I suspect the open cabin forward-facing bench seat arrangement had something to do with it, as the 407 has the first pair of passanger seats facing rear. What else may have come into play in favor of the AW119?

The EC135 has won many similar training contracts (UK, Germany, Australia) due to the fact it's a twin, but that also brings increased costs (and complexities for a student pilot), I think the combination of IFR capability combined with the low running costs of a single won the day.

Like all US Defense contracts, I'm sure there was a senator or congressman from Philadelphia that had something to do with it too...

Autonomous Collectiv 27th Jan 2020 08:04


Originally Posted by rrekn (Post 10672462)
The EC135 has won many similar training contracts (UK, Germany, Australia) due to the fact it's a twin, but that also brings increased costs (and complexities for a student pilot), I think the combination of IFR capability combined with the low running costs of a single won the day.

Like all US Defense contracts, I'm sure there was a senator or congressman from Philadelphia that had something to do with it too...

In Australia the Military that are operating in a training role and didn't choose it are crying into their beer. It is woefully under-performing and rumour has it to train for hoisting they can't carry enough fuel to leave the confines of Nowra!

tottigol 27th Jan 2020 12:33


Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00 (Post 10671508)
I was wondering what about the AW119 made it the choice? in what regards did it outduel the H135 and the bell 407? I suspect the open cabin forward-facing bench seat arrangement had something to do with it, as the 407 has the first pair of passanger seats facing rear. What else may have come into play in favor of the AW119?

I am not the tallest pilot around, however when going from the 206L to the 407, I found out that the pax cabin was made longer by stealing about 4 inches from the cockpit and that I no longer needed to move the pedals closer.
Small cockpit tends to be an issue when you are training with an LPA over your flight suit.
The 407's broom closet also does not lend itself to visibility and/or accessibility from the rear.
Having flown both aircraft I can say that the 119 vastly outperforms the 407 anyday, even the vibrations are greater.
Last but not least, a fully specd IFR high performing single at less than 5 millions per copy?

chopper2004 6th Feb 2020 13:29

TH-119 demo flight
 
Thanks to the Leonardo folks who arranged the TH-119 demo flight last week in Anaheim. So here are my photos from that morning...

cheers


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ObeyTheDiode 6th Feb 2020 13:40

Airbus is formally protesting the selection of the TH-119 over their H135.

chopper2004 6th Feb 2020 14:19

And I spoke too soon as Airbus Helicopters are contesting the decision

https://www.janes.com/article/94133/...rd-to-leonardo

havick 6th Feb 2020 15:47


Originally Posted by chopper2004 (Post 10681045)
And I spoke too soon as Airbus Helicopters are contesting the decision

https://www.janes.com/article/94133/...rd-to-leonardo

The baby has thrown it’s bottle out of the cot.

chopper2004 14th Nov 2020 17:34

Exercise options for 36 airframes
 
Additional Leonardo TH-73A as the United States Navy exercises options for another thirty six of the new helicopter trainer.

https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/p...3a-helicopters

chopper2004 10th Jun 2021 15:00

First Th-73A delivered
 
Philadelphia, 10 June 2021 – At a ceremony on its Philadelphia campus and under the backdrop of the Stars and Stripes, Leonardo officially delivered the first TH-73A training helicopter to the U.S. Navy earlier today. The ceremony was attended by Vice Admiral Kenneth Whitesell, commander of Naval Air Forces and Commander, Naval Air Force U.S. Pacific Fleet; Rear Admiral Gregory Harris, Director of Air Warfare Division (N98); and Captain Holly Shoger, Program Manager of Naval Undergraduate Flight Training Systems Program. Also attending the ceremony was Leonardo Helicopters Managing Director Gian Piero Cutillo and members of local, state and federal elected delegations, including Congressman Donald Norcross and Philadelphia Mayor‘
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Rigga 10th Jun 2021 22:00

In the 70’s Harrier pilots used to do a few hours of helicopter training (in Whirlwinds) before they started their type training - I elieve to get them used to contribute=ogling things in a hover….?

Rigga 10th Jun 2021 22:02


Originally Posted by Lurching (Post 10662704)
How does that work?

In the 70’s Harrier pilots got used to hovering a Whirlwind before doing their type training.

rrekn 10th Jun 2021 22:43

Looks like that paint job is from the '70s...

SASless 10th Jun 2021 22:58

I would suggest the blinding fast speed of the Whirlwind is what was prepping them for the Harrier.

chopper2004 26th Sep 2022 12:23

https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/Ne...copter-system/

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