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chopper2004 13th Jan 2020 22:15

Leonardo TH-73A US Navy Advance Helicopter Training
 
Congratulations to Leonardo as Us Navy selects the AW119Ke as the new US Navy Advance Helicopter Training System replacing the legacy Bell TH-57C Sea Ranger.

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Nav...-01132020-1723From Program Executive Office Tactical Aircraft Programs Public Affairs

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (NNS) -- The U.S. Navy announced on Jan. 13, 2020 that AgustaWestland Philadelphia Corporation (Leonardo) was awarded a contract for $176.5M for the production of 32 TH-73A helicopters in support of the Advanced Helicopter Training System (AHTS) program.

“Today marks a great team effort to procure and deliver a helicopter trainer for the next generation of helicopter and tilt-rotor pilots for the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard,” said James F. Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition. “I’m proud of the aggressive work the team did to leverage the commercial industrial base to get this capability to the warfighters, and our nation, at the best value to the taxpayer. This effort is key to ensure the readiness of our Naval Aviators for decades to come.”

Five proposals were submitted for the contract. The new firm fixed price TH-73A contract was awarded on a best-value tradeoff basis with a base and three one-year options. The base year contract is for $176.5M for 32 aircraft. The total contract value is $648.1M for the procurement of 130 aircraft. Helicopter deliveries are scheduled to begin in calendar year 2020 and continue through calendar year 2024.

The new helicopter will meet advanced rotary wing and intermediate tilt-rotor training requirements for the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard through 2050. The TH-73A will be manufactured in United States with assembly taking place, through FAA Airworthiness certification, in the contractor’s FAA Part 21 facility in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

rrekn 14th Jan 2020 10:41

A wonder what they will name it? Koala may be un-bearable...

Lurching 14th Jan 2020 13:01


The new helicopter will meet advanced rotary wing and intermediate tilt-rotor training requirements for the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard through 2050.
How does that work?

Bravo73 14th Jan 2020 13:57

Is the ‘intermediate section’ of tilt-rotor training teaching fixed-wing pilots how to hover?

tottigol 14th Jan 2020 13:58


Originally Posted by Lurching (Post 10662704)
How does that work?

The DoD NAVY buys 130 helicopters, trains the instructors and the instructors train the students.
The whole package is turnkey and includes FSTDs.

tottigol 14th Jan 2020 14:00


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 10662737)
Is the ‘intermediate section’ of tilt-rotor training teaching fixed-wing pilots how to hover?

Have to start somewhere, however it's easier to make a hybrid pilot out of a helicopter pilot rather than from a fixed wing one.

Self loading bear 14th Jan 2020 17:39


Originally Posted by rrekn (Post 10662591)
A wonder what they will name it? Koala may be un-bearable...

Marsupial?

Aussierob 14th Jan 2020 23:50


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 10662943)
Marsupial?

Yes it is.

rrekn 15th Jan 2020 03:08

Drop-bear perhaps?



SimFlightTest 15th Jan 2020 12:25


Originally Posted by tottigol (Post 10662739)
The DoD NAVY buys 130 helicopters, trains the instructors and the instructors train the students.
The whole package is turnkey and includes FSTDs.

The FSTDs are actually part of a separate bid. The provider for the training services has yet to be determined.

S76Heavy 15th Jan 2020 17:29


Originally Posted by rrekn (Post 10662591)
A wonder what they will name it? Koala may be un-bearable...

That would be a Sea Koala, then..

SimFlightTest 15th Jan 2020 20:10

Does anybody know what autopilot Leonardo stuffed into the 119 to get it IFR. Is it the old analog SHZ-109A or SP-711?

Self loading bear 15th Jan 2020 21:55


Originally Posted by S76Heavy (Post 10663804)
That would be a Sea Koala, then..

So a she-bear?

or (as it is no bear) a cloaca?

ECL_FTE 16th Jan 2020 14:32


Originally Posted by SimFlightTest (Post 10663905)
Does anybody know what autopilot Leonardo stuffed into the 119 to get it IFR. Is it the old analog SHZ-109A or SP-711?

It's the Genesys avionics system. https://www.advancedhelicoptertraine...trum-training/

tottigol 18th Jan 2020 22:49


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 10663984)
So a she-bear?

or (as it is no bear) a cloaca?

We prefer to use cloaca for all Airbus products.

PDFDAviator 20th Jan 2020 01:40

Autopilot
 
The avionics (displays) are from Genesys. The only autopilot they (Genesys) has that is certified for IFR is the one used for the EC145e IFR certification with Metro Aviation using Genyses displays. I believe the autopilot used (and I could be wrong) for the Navy contract is the same one used for the 109 Trekker (don't have the model number) ...which also uses the same Genesys displays.

Copter Appreciator00 25th Jan 2020 19:59

the helicopter may be un-kaola-fied for the program after all.

Copter Appreciator00 25th Jan 2020 20:02

I was wondering what about the AW119 made it the choice? in what regards did it outduel the H135 and the bell 407? I suspect the open cabin forward-facing bench seat arrangement had something to do with it, as the 407 has the first pair of passanger seats facing rear. What else may have come into play in favor of the AW119?

havick 26th Jan 2020 02:45


Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00 (Post 10671508)
I was wondering what about the AW119 made it the choice? in what regards did it outduel the H135 and the bell 407? I suspect the open cabin forward-facing bench seat arrangement had something to do with it, as the 407 has the first pair of passanger seats facing rear. What else may have come into play in favor of the AW119?

SPIFR single engine with a PT6, decent cabin, good performance, cost effective.

Personal opinion, I think it was a wise choice.

rrekn 26th Jan 2020 23:23


Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00 (Post 10671508)
I was wondering what about the AW119 made it the choice? in what regards did it outduel the H135 and the bell 407? I suspect the open cabin forward-facing bench seat arrangement had something to do with it, as the 407 has the first pair of passanger seats facing rear. What else may have come into play in favor of the AW119?

The EC135 has won many similar training contracts (UK, Germany, Australia) due to the fact it's a twin, but that also brings increased costs (and complexities for a student pilot), I think the combination of IFR capability combined with the low running costs of a single won the day.

Like all US Defense contracts, I'm sure there was a senator or congressman from Philadelphia that had something to do with it too...


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