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BertieC 2nd Dec 2019 03:58

Cheap way to get 155 hours for CPL (H) training/test
 
Hi

Can anyone suggest a cheap way for me to get my hours to 155 so I can
take my CPL (H)? I can't afford to buy a helicopter. Renting one out hour after
hour is going to be expensive. But renting one for 3 months might be possible if
anyone knows somewhere with reasonable pricing? Or is there another way?

Thanks


Thanks.

rudestuff 2nd Dec 2019 08:23


Originally Posted by BertieC (Post 10630673)
Hi

Can anyone suggest a cheap way for me to get my hours to 155 so I can
take my CPL (H)? I can't afford to buy a helicopter. Renting one out hour after
hour is going to be expensive. But renting one for 3 months might be possible if
anyone knows somewhere with reasonable pricing? Or is there another way?

Thanks


Thanks.

Helicopters rent by the hour. You're very unlikely to get someone to rent you one for several months, but even if you did you would still be paying per hour. Where did you get your PPL(H)? They might give you a better rate for 10/25/50 hours at a time. Personally I would do it in the States or South Africa.

ersa 2nd Dec 2019 08:31

Get a FAA ppl validation, go and rent a R44 in the states , dirt cheap and burn the hours

heli87 2nd Dec 2019 09:54


Originally Posted by BertieC (Post 10630673)
Hi

Can anyone suggest a cheap way for me to get my hours to 155 so I can
take my CPL (H)? I can't afford to buy a helicopter. Renting one out hour after
hour is going to be expensive. But renting one for 3 months might be possible if
anyone knows somewhere with reasonable pricing? Or is there another way?

Thanks


Thanks.

Afraid there is no cheap way, yes you can go to America and blast the hours out cheaply but do you have to factor in time off work? Accommodation, flights, time away from family, its not always as simple as just go to america and fly. Plus after you've passed your PPL do you really have much experience of flying in the UK, enough to roll straight onto a CPL when you come back, maybe - I don't know your flying history.

Where did you do your PPL? Personally I wouldn't just stick at one school for hour building, I would use the opportunity to visit various schools and get my name around the industry a bit - After all, you're probably going to be contacting lots of companies POST CPL trying to get your first bit of work ( unless you're going straight to IR and want to try get offshore? ). If they've never heard of you before it will be even more difficult to get your foot in the door.

Or are you going to FI route, still - best to get your name around different schools.

Dont just look at the cheapest way to do things, there is no cheap way in aviation unfortunately.

If I had to do my hour building again I would do 20 odd hours at a few different schools. Most will offer a discount if you buy in blocks of 10. I would also use my time wisely in the air and visit as many airports as I possibly could to increase your experience level even more, Heli Lanes etc too.

Take a look at what landing fee's schools charge, the odd school is very expensive, they will charge more than the actual Airport is charging them, which I understand during your PPL as you don't want to get charged per circuit so its simply just one landing fee per sortie no matter how many circuits you do.

However, post PPL I don't agree with schools still charging a flat fee like they do for Dual. For example - some schools will charge up to 30 per flight but during SFH you'll only likely do 1 circuit ( so should be only one landing fee ) usually around the 11-15 pound mark. That extra money is a lot over 100 hours of SFH ( Already saved yourself 1500 minimum there )

Autonomous Collectiv 2nd Dec 2019 10:24


Originally Posted by BertieC (Post 10630673)
Hi

Can anyone suggest a cheap way for me to get my hours to 155 so I can
take my CPL (H)? I can't afford to buy a helicopter. Renting one out hour after
hour is going to be expensive. But renting one for 3 months might be possible if
anyone knows somewhere with reasonable pricing? Or is there another way?

Thanks


Thanks.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gulliBell 2nd Dec 2019 12:21

Seriously WOW!!! 155 hours? You gotta be kidding me. I did my CPL-H flight test with 84.8 hours total helicopter time. I'm glad I didn't have to punch holes in the sky for an extra 70.2 hours before I could do the flight test.

gulliBell 2nd Dec 2019 12:25

Nah, in my day I think you had to have 450 hours total helicopter before you could start the FI course.

rudestuff 2nd Dec 2019 14:06

TBH anyone with a PPL should know how aircraft hire works, I'm guessing the OP is just dreaming.

Kelly Hopper 2nd Dec 2019 16:30

When I was sitting on a PPL(H) and a Jet Ranger rating they wanted 400 hours P1 before sitting a CPL exam!!!!

I spent years trying to make that work. It never did. I went to planks!

Robbiee 2nd Dec 2019 16:36


Originally Posted by ersa (Post 10630748)
Get a FAA ppl validation, go and rent a R44 in the states , dirt cheap and burn the hours

R44,...?!

He said "cheap", not overpriced!

Mutley1013 2nd Dec 2019 16:50

How many hours do you have so far Bertie? Do you have your PPL yet?

Michael Gee 2nd Dec 2019 17:12

Take a risk and buy a helicopter that you train/get the hours on cheaply and then sell it on.
It works out the cheapest way -
I introduced a budding pilot to such a deal and the 206 changed hands later.

BertieC 3rd Dec 2019 01:20

CPL (H)
 
Sowait for it.

I've been flying 9 days and have 7 hours, But I am on course to finish my PPL () early January as I am ramping up the hours from next week,

I've taken a lot of knocks recently (divorce finalised, cancer op ,mother committing suicide - all in the one week, a month ago) and so decided to change my life
and do what I've always dreamed of doing. I have the money but I want to qualify fast. And fast usually means you pay a premium which is why I should have been more accurate
and said I'm looking for a not expensive fast way to do this.

I'm 55 and so speed is important!

Thanks for your replies. Keep them coming.

rudestuff 3rd Dec 2019 02:49

Where are you? If you want to do it fast, get an FAA PPL - you could get everything done in a couple of months. To be honest your biggest problem is going to be the CPL/ATPL exams. They aren't exactly easy! Then you need to consider what you can do with a CPL - You'll be 56 by the time you get the licence and you won't be able to fly commercially past age 60, so your only realistic option is to become a flight instructor. That's going to require at least 250 hours.

Robbiee 3rd Dec 2019 03:03


Originally Posted by BertieC (Post 10631324)
Sowait for it.

I've been flying 9 days and have 7 hours, But I am on course to finish my PPL () early January as I am ramping up the hours from next week,

I've taken a lot of knocks recently (divorce finalised, cancer op ,mother committing suicide - all in the one week, a month ago) and so decided to change my life
and do what I've always dreamed of doing. I have the money but I want to qualify fast. And fast usually means you pay a premium which is why I should have been more accurate
and said I'm looking for a not expensive fast way to do this.

I'm 55 and so speed is important!

Thanks for your replies. Keep them coming.

Move to Florida, fly for Boatpix.

Mutley1013 3rd Dec 2019 07:11

And don’t forget to get a class 1 medical early doors or the whole lot is a moot point even if you only want a vanity CPL

GoodGrief 3rd Dec 2019 07:38

Has he heard about the age 60 rule ?

heli87 3rd Dec 2019 07:58


Originally Posted by BertieC (Post 10631324)
Sowait for it.

I've been flying 9 days and have 7 hours, But I am on course to finish my PPL () early January as I am ramping up the hours from next week,

I've taken a lot of knocks recently (divorce finalised, cancer op ,mother committing suicide - all in the one week, a month ago) and so decided to change my life
and do what I've always dreamed of doing. I have the money but I want to qualify fast. And fast usually means you pay a premium which is why I should have been more accurate
and said I'm looking for a not expensive fast way to do this.

I'm 55 and so speed is important!

Thanks for your replies. Keep them coming.

I would be surprised if you finish by early / in January with how the weather can be, the availability over Christmas and with all the PPL exams to pass, 7 hours in is too early to tell if you're going to blast through the rest easily and finish close to the 45 hours. I did mine in my early 20's 3 to 4 days per week through summer and it still took me 5 months and I passed with 50 hours. ( the weather wasn't the best that year )

ATPL exams are your next problem, I don't know your background but they definitely aren't easy and are only getting harder, if you passed them in under 6 months it would be impressive by anyones standards.

Class 1 - get that straight away so you know you can get it when you need it, wouldn't want to spend 50 odd K on your PPL, Hour building and ATPL's then find out you can't get one due to a medical issue.

You can still instruct on a Class 2 though, but bare in mind you'll need 200 hours pilot in command and still need to pass the commercial exams ( this will bypass the need for a CPL, but thats around 200 hours of hour building after you've got your PPL )

If you do manage to get all this done by the time you're 56/57 you'll only have 3-4 years left to fly commercially but on such little hours the hopes of getting any work are very slim/next to none. If I'm not mistaken and someone will probably correct me, you can fly up to the age of 65 as a co pilot providing the pilot in command is under 60. This means going multi crew and realistically having to do your IR ,then find a company that will take on a pilot who only has a few years of their career left and can only fly with another pilot present.
Sorry if this all seems a little harsh but just being honest.

If you have your heart set on it then go for it, its never too late, but just be realistic in the fact that you may get quite a way in and realise your only route is to instruct.

Which aircraft are you currently flying and where are you located?

aa777888 3rd Dec 2019 11:20

You can move to the US where there are no age limits for FAA Part 91 and 135 commercial work, which I think represents the bulk of US commercial helicopter operations--are there any Part 121 operators? Probably not many...

GoodGrief 3rd Dec 2019 11:45


Originally Posted by aa777888 (Post 10631594)
You can move to the US where there are no age limits for FAA Part 91 and 135 commercial work, which I think represents the bulk of US commercial helicopter operations--are there any Part 121 operators? Probably not many...

How does one just move to the US and get a work permit ? Please explain...


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