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WhirlyHEMS 12th Nov 2019 12:20

UK HEMS Pilot Pay
 
Looks like the shortage of pilots is being felt in the UK. Babcock Onshore now offering up to £80k according to their Linkedin page, although no mention on how long you have to serve to get that. I wonder if the other big UK operator will follow suit?

USL-Toad 12th Nov 2019 19:09

Do you have a Link?

MightyGem 12th Nov 2019 19:46


Do you have a Link?
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bab...ational-group/

Bravo73 12th Nov 2019 20:24


TomAndreas-NOR 13th Nov 2019 06:42

With the cost of getting an IR in Europe, especially if you need ME, I have always wondered how they are able to get pilots in the UK that can afford earning as little as they do.

berlioz 13th Nov 2019 09:59


Originally Posted by WhirlyHEMS (Post 10616924)
Looks like the shortage of pilots is being felt in the UK. Babcock Onshore now offering up to £80k according to their Linkedin page, although no mention on how long you have to serve to get that. I wonder if the other big UK operator will follow suit?

I´m sure this numbers are not for a line pilot.

The value for a line pilot is around 60k, maybe some more for a touring pilot.

This numbers maybe.....and only maybe for a TRE on both types Babcock flies.

Not everything that shines is gold, and with Babcock there´s a lot of shinning at first glance........

Happy landings


helicrazi 13th Nov 2019 13:23


Originally Posted by berlioz (Post 10617612)
I´m sure this numbers are not for a line pilot.

The value for a line pilot is around 60k, maybe some more for a touring pilot.

This numbers maybe.....and only maybe for a TRE on both types Babcock flies.

Not everything that shines is gold, and with Babcock there´s a lot of shinning at first glance........

Happy landings

Incorrect...

Bravo73 13th Nov 2019 14:22


Originally Posted by TomAndreas-NOR (Post 10617472)
With the cost of getting an IR in Europe, especially if you need ME, I have always wondered how they are able to get pilots in the UK that can afford earning as little as they do.

BAS (& NPAS) have relied for a long time on some of their pilots’ salaries being topped up by a UK military pension. That particular pool of labour must be running very low now.

berlioz 13th Nov 2019 14:47


Originally Posted by helicrazi (Post 10617742)
Incorrect...

Then... can you share some light on the subject?

Safe landings

ApolloHeli 14th Nov 2019 21:08

How many hours a year could HEMS/Air Ambulance co-pilots expect to be flying? Children's Air Ambulance in Doncaster/Kents, surrey sussex HEMS etc.
Just out of curiosity

Hot_LZ 15th Nov 2019 07:07

All depends on the qualification of the P1. I know of copilots getting very irate as they cannot log time due to the P1 not having an ATPL. They fly as technical crew. But to answer your question, ~ 200.

LZ

helipixman 16th Nov 2019 09:23

Whate ever a HEMS pilot is payed in my opinion it is just not enough. What a wonderful job the whole HEMS crew do.

ShyTorque 16th Nov 2019 15:30


Originally Posted by Hot_LZ (Post 10618968)
All depends on the qualification of the P1. I know of copilots getting very irate as they cannot log time due to the P1 not having an ATPL. They fly as technical crew. But to answer your question, ~ 200.

LZ

There's nothing to prevent them logging the time, but it can't be counted for the purposes of a qualification.


rudestuff 16th Nov 2019 16:58


Originally Posted by ShyTorque (Post 10619885)
There's nothing to prevent them logging the time, but it can't be counted for the purposes of a qualification.

..or as total time since you can't log P2 in single pilot ops. Which does beg the question why two people..

ShyTorque 16th Nov 2019 17:17

This "multi crew or not" is an anomaly. Only the chap who signed for the aircraft can officially "use" the hours, but if there were an accident caused by pilot error, it's likely that the authority would pin blame on both pilots.

Hot_LZ 16th Nov 2019 22:40


Originally Posted by ShyTorque (Post 10619885)
There's nothing to prevent them logging the time, but it can't be counted for the purposes of a qualification.

Absolute bollocks. The pilot has to abide by the Ops manual he is working to. If it states that it is a multi crew operation then the P1 must have an ATPL and the crew must be correctly qualified as per the authorisation granted by the authority. If these conditions aren’t met and it’s a single pilot operation with a TC, it matters not whether it’s a CPL holder or a paramedic sat in the LHS. It cannot be logged.

LZ

Chorbington 17th Nov 2019 06:21

I fly as P2 in a EC135, HEMS. My rating is 135 MP IR, done MCC, the ops manual states the operation is multi-pilot, and I do my OPCs and Linechecks from the left seat in a multicrew environment.

Non-PC Plod 17th Nov 2019 07:19


Originally Posted by rudestuff (Post 10619947)
..or as total time since you can't log P2 in single pilot ops. Which does beg the question why two people..

Creating an ad-hoc quasi multi-pilot operation by using 2 x SP qualified pilots is a very dangerous road to go down. If the operation needs two pilots for safety, then it should have 2 properly qualified MP ops pilots, ( as per what Chorbington describes below) instead of looking for ways to bend the rules!

helimutt 17th Nov 2019 07:53


Originally Posted by Non-PC Plod (Post 10620234)
Creating an ad-hoc quasi multi-pilot operation by using 2 x SP qualified pilots is a very dangerous road to go down. If the operation needs two pilots for safety, then it should have 2 properly qualified MP ops pilots, ( as per what Chorbington describes below) instead of looking for ways to bend the rules!


couldn't agree more. You either do it properly multi-crew or not at all.

EESDL 17th Nov 2019 09:04

Hot LZ
”The times they are a changin”
I didn’t pay too much attention to the blurb at the time (as irrelevant in my case) but I believe it was announced that 2 CPL(H) pilots can now fly as Multi-crew on CAT - as long as various exams passed, boxes ticked etc


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