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Droop Snoot 5th Sep 2019 20:33

VH-92A causes "discoloration" of South Lawn
 
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine....nal-capability

GAO said:

“The lawn is a highly visible, size-constrained landing zone where damage to the White House grounds needs to be minimized,” the report stated. “There is a possibility of increased cost and schedule delays if the program has to retrofit produced aircraft.”

Holy cow!

MightyGem 5th Sep 2019 20:38

Probably the exhaust being directed down to the ground by the rotor downwash. Used to happen with our Lynx before they fitted the IR Reduction ducts.

wrench1 5th Sep 2019 22:20

If I recall, the APU exhaust has been known to torch the turf next to the helipad.

noooby 6th Sep 2019 03:05

Hmmm. I wonder how the AW101 would have faired on the Whitehouse lawn. Probably no better. But at least it had a cabin large enough to meet the specification. LOL. AW must have been laughing all the way to the bank when they got paid off when they were cancelled. And now Canada is laughing because the Presidential 101's will become Cormorants. Or at least be used as parts in a mid-life update.

Autonomous Collectiv 6th Sep 2019 03:21

“There is a possibility of increased cost and schedule delays if the program has to retrofit produced aircraft.”

There it is.... Bend over taxpayers, you're about to get Donald Ducked!

212man 6th Sep 2019 07:24

Seems odd - never known the standard S-92 APU exhaust to be an issue and I don't think this is different. Only time I was aware of it was when I parked next to a large bush once, in a hurry, but that wasn't the norm!

ShyTorque 6th Sep 2019 08:46

Be a lot cheaper to replace the turf....

Davey Emcee 6th Sep 2019 10:32


Originally Posted by MightyGem (Post 10562840)
Probably the exhaust being directed down to the ground by the rotor downwash. Used to happen with our Lynx before they fitted the IR Reduction ducts.

Must have been long grass for a Lynx to cause any damage.

Vzlet 6th Sep 2019 11:08

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tottigol 6th Sep 2019 11:34


Originally Posted by Vzlet (Post 10563304)

I just spit my coffee through my nose!:D


industry insider 6th Sep 2019 11:37

I think Wrench might be talking about the APU in the H3. The 92 APU exhaust wouldn't reach lawn level.

212man 6th Sep 2019 12:46

I note also:

Additionally, the service has set future requirements for the aircraft, he noted. These include installing a fifth display in the cockpit
Wow, what a novel idea. Why did nobody else think of that?

MightyGem 6th Sep 2019 13:15


Must have been long grass for a Lynx to cause any damage.
No. A prolonged ground run, in excess of 5 minuets or so, would scorch short mown grass.

wrench1 6th Sep 2019 13:36


Originally Posted by industry insider (Post 10563333)
I think Wrench might be talking about the APU in the H3. The 92 APU exhaust wouldn't reach lawn level.

Never had the pleasure of an H3, but was around the 1st 92 production model(s) which spent a few hours on the pad each day in the beginning with the APU going. After a week or so each pad it was parked on, the grass next to the pad had a signature 92 burned spot. We wondered if it would ever cause a fire until one day there was a fire. Unfortunately, it wasn't the grass.

212man 6th Sep 2019 14:25


Originally Posted by wrench1 (Post 10563411)
Never had the pleasure of an H3, but was around the 1st 92 production model(s) which spent a few hours on the pad each day in the beginning with the APU going. After a week or so each pad it was parked on, the grass next to the pad had a signature 92 burned spot. We wondered if it would ever cause a fire until one day there was a fire. Unfortunately, it wasn't the grass.

Yes - leaking hydraulic fluid at 4,000 PSI burns much better than grass!

aa777888 6th Sep 2019 16:57

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the unsurpassed ability of R22's and R44's to leave beautiful burn spots on otherwise nice lawns. No, you wags, I don't mean because of the "inevitable" crash, I mean because when sitting there doing the 3 minute cool-down routine all that cold air that the squirrel cage fan is sucking in to cool the engine is being ejected, now burning hot, straight down onto the ground. It really does do a fine job of turning green grass brown, and can actually be a fire hazard when landing in tall, dry grass.

wrench1 6th Sep 2019 17:21


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10563450)
Yes - leaking hydraulic fluid at 4,000 PSI burns much better than grass!

Got that right. I'm just glad it was on the ground next to the grass instead of airborne as it was 30-40 minutes prior. It was a sight to see.

nigelh 7th Sep 2019 14:31

Nothing is as bad as the MD500 for burning grass ..... everyone knows when you have stayed over ......

MikeNYC 8th Sep 2019 18:48

Wouldn't the simple fix be to retrofit the lawn rather than the aircraft?


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