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TowerDog 31st Aug 2019 16:31

Helicopter crash in Norway today
 
Looks like this company lost a chopper just now.
https://helitrans.no/
Reports says 6 souls on board, no details yet.

TowerDog 31st Aug 2019 17:44

4 people confirmed killed.
The accident happened near the Arctic town of Alta.
Still no further details, but the weather seemed clear (from news clips in Norwegian media)

TowerDog 31st Aug 2019 18:12

Airbus 360 Helicopter according to this paper: https://www.altaposten.no/nyheter/20...a-19826759.ece

Article in Norwegian with a few pictures from the scene.

jymil 31st Aug 2019 20:00

AS350 LN-OFU. Just speculating: jack stall / servo transparency ?

TowerDog 31st Aug 2019 20:14


Originally Posted by jymil (Post 10558839)
AS350 LN-OFU. Just speculating: jack stall / servo transparency ?

Eye witness saw it flying very low, then into the hill, but of course it could have been higher with a mechanical forcing it down rather than a CFIT. Good VFR, several witnesses and 2 survivors.
Sad.

SASless 31st Aug 2019 21:01

There you go....case solved.....Jack Stall caused it!

That was a new PPRuNe Record time for the cause of an accident being determined.:ugh:

TowerDog 31st Aug 2019 21:58


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10558874)
There you go....case solved.....Jack Stall caused it!

That was a new PPRuNe Record time for the cause of an accident being determined.:ugh:

Well, he was speculating, perhaps hasty, but not concluding a cause.

SASless 31st Aug 2019 22:15

TD.....you better pull. out your Webster's and read up on the definition of "speculation".

TowerDog 1st Sep 2019 00:25

Ok, will look up speculation.
 

Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10558909)
TD.....you better pull. out your Webster's and read up on the definition of "speculation".

Oops.
Sorry about that: I did pull out the online dictionary, and you are correct Sir.
(Speaking too many languages and you get mixed up, especially as you get older.)
Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.

jymil 1st Sep 2019 02:20


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10558874)
There you go....case solved.....Jack Stall caused it!

That was a new PPRuNe Record time for the cause of an accident being determined.:ugh:

Not sure how you jump from "just speculating" to "case solved". CFIT is a plausible cause here. A mechanical problem not induced by the pilot is pretty unlikely for a 2 month old helicopter.

DonQuixote23 1st Sep 2019 07:17

Could we perhaps be a little more respectful, hours after the accident?

Mutley1013 1st Sep 2019 07:51


Originally Posted by jymil (Post 10558992)
Not sure how you jump from "just speculating" to "case solved". CFIT is a plausible cause here. A mechanical problem not induced by the pilot is pretty unlikely for a 2 month old helicopter.

Why would that be unlikely? How many times have machines gone down just after a service or overhaul due to an engineering mistake or component manufacturing issue? Not saying it is mechanical, just saying the age of helicopter surely no cast iron guarantee.

helicrazi 1st Sep 2019 08:07


Originally Posted by jymil (Post 10558992)
Not sure how you jump from "just speculating" to "case solved". CFIT is a plausible cause here. A mechanical problem not induced by the pilot is pretty unlikely for a 2 month old helicopter.

in my experience, it's the new ones that have the teething problems...

Godspeed to them all

Nubian 1st Sep 2019 08:39


Originally Posted by helicrazi (Post 10559100)
in my experience, it's the new ones that have the teething problems...

Godspeed to them all

For a new model perhaps.... this was not.


Ancient Mariner 1st Sep 2019 08:57

Six now confirmed dead, Swedish pilot and five locals in their early twenties. Helicopter was performing sightseeing trips for festival participants.
Per

Kulwin Park 1st Sep 2019 11:12

Can someone describe Jack Stall / Servo Transperancy as mentioned above. What exactly is it?
I'm guessing the servos lock up, and it can't be overridden.
Do the accumulators help on the AS350?

SASless 1st Sep 2019 12:08

This topic has been discussed in detail a couple of times here at Rotorheads.


https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/pr...ack-stall.html

https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/25...riences-2.html

Bell_ringer 1st Sep 2019 12:29

The Norwegians must offer quite the scenic tour experience if they are able to end up in jackstall.

GrayHorizonsHeli 1st Sep 2019 13:04

Happens more than you think.
I had a pilot at the end of tree-planting season, giving all the tree-planters a ride of their life, high G turns, negative G pushovers, steep banks, nap of the earth stuff....funny thing when he was in view of camp, he flew like a fricken angel. Cant let the wrench see what he was doing you know.
guess he didn't realize sound travels and i could hear every twist, turn and bank from miles away.

bottom line, many pilots fall prey to giving the passengers a ride to remember...if they survive.

SASless 1st Sep 2019 13:12

Mechanics (Engineers for those who prefer that title) have done in many a Pilot and Passengers too....so what is your point re this particular tragedy?



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