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tartare 6th Aug 2019 23:26

Rocket lab announce reusable first stage to be caught by helicopter
 
Proving once again that size and location are no barriers to innovation.
Have a look at this video from about 14.36 onwards - sequence shows the first stage deploying a parafoil, presumably steerable, and then being plucked from the sky by a helicopter - similar to the way the film cannisters from the first spy satellites used to be grabbed by an aircraft.


UniFoxOs 7th Aug 2019 05:35

Got from 14:36 to 16:10 and some bloke still waffling.

phildan89 7th Aug 2019 06:07

Try from 9:40 through to about 11:20. It'll be interesting to see if they can pull it off, nothing like putting a helicopter in the path of a re-entering booster! All the best to them.

meadowrun 7th Aug 2019 06:10

Kind of innovation backwards and compared to Space-X pinpoint landings, Rube Goldberg. (have not watched video)

I know why I like their landings so much - They're the cover of most sci-fi magazines from youth. Spacecraft arrives, points upright and lands gently on fins.

ORAC 7th Aug 2019 11:04

Total empty weight of the first stage is under a ton, so the recovery method is feasible, but not scalable......

Rocket Lab Electron Data Sheet

SASless 7th Aug 2019 12:02

"Stupid Easy!".......now what could possibly go wrong with a concept like this?

NASA re-used solid rocket boosters for the Space Shuttle as I recall....and landed them in the sea by parachute.....then used a recovery vessel to retrieve them.

Re-use of whole SRB's was rare...but thousands of parts we're inspected, re-worked....and flown again on later missions.

ORAC 7th Aug 2019 13:41


Stupid Easy!".......now what could possibly go wrong with a concept like this?
It’s an old well practiced technique, previously used to capture satellite film capsules, though in those days they used C-119 then the JC-130A rather a helicopter.

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...ober-1984.html





SASless 7th Aug 2019 13:51

Two different kettles of fish here.

Interesting concept but the devil is in the details.

Starts with the Intercept Cone....height, speed, distance from the Helicopter's actual location....and despite the improvement in "accuracy" .... a miss will result in a "Miss" and the booster winding up in the water.

Then what?

We chased Torpedoes in the Rassay Sound using helicopters but in my time there we never retrieved one......rocket boosters under canopy will. be a bit more difficult.


Senior Pilot 7th Aug 2019 14:19


tartare 7th Aug 2019 23:55

That said - the video showed a parafoil rather than a round parachute, and I think that's intentional.
They're steerable - which would suggest the booster could be maneuvered to aid capture.

GrayHorizonsHeli 8th Aug 2019 11:44

thats likely alot of math to figure out where to place your recovery equipment...im not that good at math.
good luck to them

IanI 8th Aug 2019 12:45

PDG Helicopters
 
I think you will find PDG Helicopters did this a couple of years ago. Take a look at their You Tube Channel.

SASless 8th Aug 2019 13:30

The proof is in the pudding as they say.

Yes...it "can" be done

But....saying it and doing it are two very different things.....and saying it is "Stupid Easy" is a bit braggadocios of the fellow I am thinking.

But then I remember trying to hit a streamer made by a falling Bog Roll and having difficulty doing that in an aerobatic airplane!

ApolloHeli 8th Apr 2020 22:24

Seems like they've had a successful proof of concept


EMS R22 10th Apr 2020 09:50

Great work by the pilot.

A little slow though getting the hook in place but looked steady enough.

Ascend Charlie 10th Apr 2020 10:42

A lot simpler when they are right on the spot and see it released.

It will be a bit different when they are trying to predict a space re-entry and get the chopper within a bull's roar of it.

[email protected] 10th Apr 2020 11:08

Why not add a flotation device and a 406 beacon, let it parachute into the water and then recover it?

skadi 10th Apr 2020 12:53


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10745633)
Why not add a flotation device and a 406 beacon, let it parachute into the water and then recover it?

You should know which effect saltwater has to lightweight metal constructions like rocketboosters...

skadi

Less Hair 10th Apr 2020 13:00

We have been further ahead already it seems.


[email protected] 10th Apr 2020 16:50

Looks like they made a giant, flying suppository.:)


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