PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Rotorheads (https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads-23/)
-   -   Why bother with EASA? (https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/624261-why-bother-easa.html)

HeliHJ 5th Aug 2019 05:52

Why bother with EASA?
 
Recently been to a flying school in Canada and have learnt you can walk through the door with ZERO hours on a helicopter, do 100hrs plus ONE written exam and have yourself a CPL.
Why are the standards so different? Are Canadian pilots better than us here in the UK? Are we better than them?
Why do EASA put us through far more stringent requirements?



paco 5th Aug 2019 06:01

One reason is that the Canadians (and the FAA) know you will get further training later in your career. EASA don't assume that and want you to know it all before you start. I don't have a big problem with that, but the implementation is the real problem - in fact it it an international joke. The ICAO limit is 150 hours, but Canada does 100 to stop people going to the US. And after all that, Canadian training (and examining) is better, having been through both systems. I know of at least two schools who get their students through the CPL checkride at 80 hours and fill in the rest with something more useful, like mountain flying or slinging. Their students are much more industry ready.

There are one or two schools in the UK who match up to them, but not many.

The rule is, if you don't need EASA don't do it.

Which school did you go to?

SASless 5th Aug 2019 12:02

The basic difference is the amount of pure simple frustrating bureaucracy in the UK and EASA systems as compared to the Canadian and American system.
Also...the FAA does not have to pay its own way....as we see aviation as part of the national infrastructure and support it with Tax money from the Federal Budget.

RVDT 5th Aug 2019 17:01


Tax money from the Federal Budget
I think you may find that the money comes from an excise tax on aviation.

It is a huge pot and the Federal Gummint would really like to get their mits on it for other uses but are not allowed to.

A breakdown here.

In EASA land they just "nickel and dime you to death".

The FAA AATF is forecast at 16.3 billion for FY 2019.

HeliHJ 5th Aug 2019 17:49

It still baffles me. I’ve just done my 14 ATPL exams, soon to finish hour building and then finally the CPL course, so will have at least 185hrs and still have no hope getting a job!
Is it “easy” to convert EASA to a FAA license?

GoodGrief 5th Aug 2019 19:54

The licence conversion is easy. Getting a work permit for the USA is impossible.200 hours TT don't help on either side of the pond or anywhere on the planet.

roblawson91 7th Aug 2019 16:09

In answer to the title of this post. You bother with EASA if you want a job in Europe. If you can get a Canadian working holiday visa (under 30) the license conversion is about 4000 dollars (Canadian). That's what I'd be doing if I hadn't already used my visas...

HeliMannUK 8th Aug 2019 15:12


Originally Posted by HeliHJ (Post 10537466)
It still baffles me. I’ve just done my 14 ATPL exams, soon to finish hour building and then finally the CPL course, so will have at least 185hrs and still have no hope getting a job!
Is it “easy” to convert EASA to a FAA license?

It looks like there is a instructor shortage at the moment. Get your FI and you will probably find it easier to get work, worked for me (I also think it improves your pilot skills).

Also CHC (& possibly Bristows) have been employing ab-initios in the last 6 months.

ApolloHeli 8th Aug 2019 22:05


Originally Posted by HeliMannUK (Post 10540167)
Also CHC (& possibly Bristows) have been employing ab-initios in the last 6 months.

Does "ab initio" mean fresh out of CPL(H) training or no licence at all?

GKaplan 9th Aug 2019 10:59


Originally Posted by ApolloHeli (Post 10540463)
Does "ab initio" mean fresh out of CPL(H) training or no licence at all?

That's CPL + IR, without an hour more than what's required to get those.

RichiRich 7th Sep 2019 17:07

My question to this subject is: can I do EASA IR training in Canada for example?

paco 7th Sep 2019 19:36

You can get a Canadian IR and transfer it. Training as required if I'm not mistaken.

Phil

RichiRich 7th Sep 2019 20:06


Originally Posted by paco (Post 10564375)
You can get a Canadian IR and transfer it. Training as required if I'm not mistaken.

Phil

What is the price in Canada?

hueyracer 8th Sep 2019 05:58


It looks like there is a instructor shortage at the moment. Get your FI and you will probably find it easier to get work, worked for me (I also think it improves your pilot skills).
That must be the same myth than the "pilot shortage" I keep hearing about..

I am an 8000 hour pilot with all FI/TRI/TRE privileges, and have been looking for a job all over Europe for a year now..... Nothing....


Unless you are a 500 hours pilot with FI and a cabri rating, willing to work 6 days a week for 1000 Euro a month, that is..

jeepys 8th Sep 2019 06:30

Hueyracer,
have you tried NPAS, Babcock or SAS in the U.K?
They have numerous positions and have had for some while.

hueyracer 8th Sep 2019 07:42

Thanks, I have contacted pretty much every operator that has advertised for positions in the past 10 months...

As I am residing in Germany, I would only be available for any touring positions (or at least positions where I can fly home every now and then).

Due to my wife's job, moving is not an option (unfortunately).

But it did not even get to that point.. I hardly received and feedback to the initial application...

(But I must also say that I do jot hold ratings on R22/44 or cabris, which seem to be the main air frames companies looking for an FI are using these days)...

Bellrider 8th Sep 2019 10:52

There is a huge lack of pilots with suitable character........that‘s the fact!
Having 500-1000h and not a CV with 10 changes in 5 Years career, every operator ( including air rescue) in Europe will wellcome you with open arms

Robbiee 8th Sep 2019 17:20


Originally Posted by hueyracer (Post 10564628)
That must be the same myth than the "pilot shortage" I keep hearing about..

I am an 8000 hour pilot with all FI/TRI/TRE privileges, and have been looking for a job all over Europe for a year now..... Nothing....


Unless you are a 500 hours pilot with FI and a cabri rating, willing to work 6 days a week for 1000 Euro a month, that is..

You should come to the States. Here its the opposite, where 8,000 hour pilots are more scarce and 500 hour cfis are a dime a dozen!

hueyracer 8th Sep 2019 17:49

Thought about it.... Just could not figure out how to get a work permit...
And my wife said she wasn't OK with me marrying a US girl in order to get one...
Lol

Robbiee 8th Sep 2019 18:38


Originally Posted by hueyracer (Post 10565047)
Thought about it.... Just could not figure out how to get a work permit...
And my wife said she wasn't OK with me marrying a US girl in order to get one...
Lol

If our pilot shortage is real, then I would think it'd be easy to find a company over here willing to sponsor you for a work permit?

,...if our pilot shortage is real?


All times are GMT. The time now is 15:09.


Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.