Differences training 365 to 155
We want to employ AS365 pilots who have 365/155 on their licences but have only flown the 365 and never sat in a 155. Can we train them in house using our Training Capt. or do we have to use an external ATO? Its obviously cheaper to use in house resources. All EASA. As I understand it at the moment there is no need for differences training to be done in an ATO as long as the course complies with the OSD for the 155. If so, we could do it using our TRI.
I believe that this may change soon though with an amendment to Part-FCL, mandating differences training only within an ATO. Can anyone help me get a definite answer on this? Thanks, |
Hi, It will depend who the National Authority of the licence holder is. The UK CAA policy is that difference training is completed by an ATO. FNW |
H155B1
Due to winning an 8 year O+G contract, H155 (not 365N3!) Captains and copilots needed.
Outline: Black Sea - LRCM and LRCK 28/28 rotation Apartment Car return flights (capped at 300 Eur) decent salary range Start Autumn. Requirements: Total hrs .2500 Captain, >250 copilot PIC . 1500 PIC Multi >500 Offshore >50 Command on H155 >100 (Captain) On type >10 hrs Copilot Please PM if you meet or exceed these requirements. We are not looking to put anyone through a differences course at the moment, so need pilots with actual 155 time in the last 2 years. Thanks. |
Its quiet a lot of training-so hell of expensive, and needs to be done iaw https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...2-08022012.pdf
(Minimum of 4:30 Differences training for VFR only). |
Approved training organisation will manage duration and sufficient numbers of flight necessary to cover the flight training syllabus content. |
This bit might get interesting....
"The autorotation is only demonstrated with power off and never with engines at idle" |
Autorotations to the ground are not a requirement for multi-engine helicopter.
This is what simulators are made for... The risk of damaging something during a full down training autorotation on a fully OGP commercially rigged machine is way too high to risk it..... But the Thread opener should tell his company that they should start responding to those pilots applying for these jobs (fulfilling all requirements).. |
Perhaps it is just something lost in translation since other types specify not bringing engines to idle for autos but they mean practice autos not EOLs - the 'power off' is probably meant in the same way as some aircraft specify a power-off VNE - could just be at very low power but with the engines at FLT not IDLE.
|
But the Thread opener should tell his company that they should start responding to those pilots applying for these jobs (fulfilling all requirements).. |
I would indeed reply promptly had I not been offshore in the Black Sea for the last 4 days auditing platforms and hanging over the side of small supply vessels trying not to lose my lunch. Don't worry all applicants that meet the minima will and have been answered. If you do not hear by the 12th, we have filled the posts.
Thanks |
then EASA judge that I am in the same position as someone who has never flown it. That would be incorrect...... As long as you keep the rating valid, the "differences training" has no expiry date.......Thats why its differences training, not additional type rating... |
Originally Posted by Same again
(Post 10507684)
I had a reply. Problem is that if (like me) you meet all the requirements and have extensive 155 experience but have not flown it for a few years then EASA judge that I am in the same position as someone who has never flown it.
In connection with the job above, I also have several thousand hours on type, was responsible for the operational and training aspects of introducing the first O&G machines in service, was the first customer of the HeliSim simulator (literally they were pulling off the wrappers as we started the IOS course) and the second UK CAA Licensed TRE, but would also be treated as if I'd never seen one before! Hey ho...... |
That would be incorrect...... As long as you keep the rating valid, the "differences training" has no expiry date.......Thats why its differences training, not additional type rating... |
Originally Posted by hueyracer
(Post 10507709)
That would be incorrect......
As long as you keep the rating valid, the "differences training" has no expiry date.......Thats why its differences training, not additional type rating... |
It sounded like his CAA wanted to make him do the differences training course again (when i implied he was still flying an AS365)....in which case i would have been correct.
That is one of the many big problems the aviation industry is suffering from with EASA........at least for the "medium/light" types we should have implemented a similar system like in the US....(or at least give a pilot a rating ONCE, then leave it up to the operator to do a recurrency check no matter how many years the rating has expired)... |
Under Part FCL rules, after 3 years since a rating has lost its validity it effectively requires a full type rating course again to Renew. For the removal of doubt: The decision as to whether and how much refresher training is required prior to taking the proficiency check for the renewal of an expired type rating is entirely that of the ATO. (or DTO in the case of single-engine helicopters certified with 5 seats or less). |
Originally Posted by rotarywise
(Post 10508414)
No, it doesn't, and never has. The requirement of FCL.740 is that, prior to the proficiency check to renew the rating, the pilot must "take refresher training at an ATO, where necessary to reach the level of proficiency to safely operate the relevant class or type of aircraft". (my emphasis). The associated AMC states that, "The amount of refresher training needed should be determined on a case-by-case basis by the ATO". The widely discredited tables implying that a specific amount of training was required according to the time since the rating expired have been removed from the AMC and replaced by a list of factors that the ATO should take into account when determining if and how much refresher training will be required.
For the removal of doubt: The decision as to whether and how much refresher training is required prior to taking the proficiency check for the renewal of an expired type rating is entirely that of the ATO. (or DTO in the case of single-engine helicopters certified with 5 seats or less). expiry longer than 3 years: the applicant should again undergo the training required for the initial issue of the rating or, in case of helicopter, the training required for the ‘additional type issue’, according to other valid ratings held Anyway, good to see that common sense seems to be prevailing now and thanks for the update - I haven't looked at Part FCL for two or three years. |
Best wishes to those 155 pilots who get offered a position. Captain Tosspot is anything but and you will be lucky to have him as your boss :-)
|
Thanks, here the CAA have just OK'd us to train in house.
|
Haha - Same Again - I shall send your cash in a plain envelope!
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 21:42. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.