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pilot_tolip

12th Jun 2019 12:02

AAIB Helicopter reports - UK

For the following 2 x helicopter reports in the UK, how would each incident/accident be summed up by all the AAIB reports in 1 simple paragraph? For example, if someone asked me down the pub, how would I answer them in simple clear terms (what happened, who was to blame, what went wrong):
1) Cessna 152, G-WACG & Guimbal Cabri G2, G-JAMM - High Wycombe.
2) Agusta AW169, G-VSKP - Leicester.

ShyTorque

12th Jun 2019 12:08

Why not read the reports yourself? :confused:

The AAIB don't allocate blame - it's not their responsibility to do so.

212man

12th Jun 2019 13:12

There isn’t a report published yet on the AW169 accident - just two special bulletins. As ST says, there isn’t blame apportioned.

tu154

12th Jun 2019 16:47

Blame? That’s a bit old testament.

ApolloHeli

12th Jun 2019 22:09

Quote:

simple clear terms (what happened

Short, concise version; 1) Mid-air collision 2) Loss of tail rotor control (not pilot error - the control rod between pedals and TR failed).

md 600 driver

13th Jun 2019 07:34

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Originally Posted by ShyTorque (Post 10492033)

Why not read the reports yourself? :confused:

The AAIB don't allocate blame - it's not their responsibility to do so.

Shy No they don’t they Infer blame and use incorrect information they have collected from spurious sources
To come come to their findings ,I would not have faith in any report they ever publish

[email protected]

13th Jun 2019 09:13

A very cynical response MD600 and not supported by any dealings I have ever had with them.

OvertHawk

14th Jun 2019 08:08

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10492670)

A very cynical response MD600 and not supported by any dealings I have ever had with them.

I very much second what Crab says. In my experience AAIB are first rate, caring, conscientious professionals who take their role and their remit extremely seriously. Not to mention doing a difficult and often unpleasant job.

One has to question the origin and motivation behind such a bitter comment.

212man

14th Jun 2019 10:25

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Originally Posted by md 600 driver (Post 10492611)

Shy No they don’t they Infer blame and use incorrect information they have collected from spurious sources
To come come to their findings ,I would not have faith in any report they ever publish

Absolute tosh! They are one of the most professional and highly respected investigation agencies in the world. I personally know some of them an you could not find more conscientious and expert people anywhere.

ShyTorque

14th Jun 2019 14:07

I very much agree with the more positive posts above, from #7 onwards.

Two's in

15th Jun 2019 01:53

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Originally Posted by md 600 driver (Post 10492611)

Shy No they don’t they Infer blame and use incorrect information they have collected from spurious sources
To come come to their findings ,I would not have faith in any report they ever publish

Utter tosh. Often in aviation accidents the truth is very unpalatable, but it doen't stop it being the truth.

Eddie Dean

15th Jun 2019 04:37

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Originally Posted by Two's in (Post 10494056)

Utter tosh. Often in aviation accidents the truth is very unpalatable, but it doen't stop it being the truth.

And ain't that the truth of the matter.

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