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Helicopter Down Chesapeake Bay off Kent Island Maryland
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...504-story.html Police and Coastguard searching for 2 missing people, apparently a 2 seater helicopter |
The OP's article has been updated:
The bodies of two men were recovered after a helicopter crashed into the Chesapeake Bay, near Bloody Point on the Eastern Shore, after noon Saturday, the Maryland Natural Resources Police said in a statement Sunday morning.Police identified the victims as the pilot, Charles Knight, 38, of Mount Airy, and the passenger, Matt Clarke, 36 of Pasadena. They said the wreckage was found in 55 feet of water about 6 p.m. Saturday and that Natural Resources Police investigators are working with the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration investigators to recover the wreckage. Police said autopsies will be conducted. |
Apparently a Cabri G2
According to reports it was a G2 owned by Monumental Helicopters https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wus...e-c1c52f8d34f2 |
People flying over water very often should have the pop-out floats option.
If the system is armed, it triggers automatically when you touch the water. https://www.guimbal.com/cabri-g2/con...#miscellaneous |
a 26000 euro option likely keeps many from buying it. but then you wish you made the investment when you need it
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Originally Posted by CentralS
(Post 10463759)
People flying over water very often should have the pop-out floats option.
If the system is armed, it triggers automatically when you touch the water. https://www.guimbal.com/cabri-g2/con...#miscellaneous |
Looking at the sea/sky with the tugboat in front, grey sky over water, some instrument experience, would be handy as well. Even when it is officially VFR, flying over water has is challenges.... |
Wow they said the weather wasn't good enough to send out a search helicopter...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/search-mis...ry?id=62824950 |
The weather was very foggy and rainy in the area, though an investigation into the cause of the crash is ongoing. |
The ironic thing, if you want to call it that, is the brother of one of the helicopter guys just happened to be "boating" in the area and witnessed the accident. I think there might be a little more to this story than reported.
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Originally Posted by wrench1
(Post 10464913)
The ironic thing, if you want to call it that, is the brother of one of the helicopter guys just happened to be "boating" in the area and witnessed the accident. I think there might be a little more to this story than reported.
Couple of low passes? Is that engine carbureted or fuel injected? Visible moisture, carb icing? |
Carburetor, but automatic carb heating
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IFR, dense fog...
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Originally Posted by wrench1
(Post 10479282)
IFR, dense fog...
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Originally Posted by wrench1
(Post 10479282)
IFR, dense fog...
https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...=HTML&IType=FA I mean, when I rent its after hours so there's no one at the school to say, "hey, maybe you shouldn't fly in this weather?" This is a real strange one! |
Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 10479426)
I don't get it. He filed a flight plan in IFR conditions in a VFR only helicopter
Problem maybe was more lack of depth perception over water combined with very low hours (just 100 HR TTRW). In any case, his flight over water out of gliding distance from shore was probably illegal in the first place. |
Originally Posted by Hot and Hi
(Post 10479481)
The preliminary report doesn’t say this. Conditions were VFR (400 ft ceiling, viz 3 Nm) but below VMC minima. Usually „ops normal“ for helicopters. But as he was within a control zone, he had to request Special VFR clearance. Problem maybe was more lack of depth perception over water combined with very low hours)just 100 HR TTRW). In any case, his flight over water out of gliding distance from shore was probably illegal in the first place. I do believe "beyond glide distace from the shore" is just the requirement for carrying a life jacket and flare and its only if the flight was "for hire". |
Had he stayed over land....or right along the shoreline....thus having good visible cues or at least the cues to realize he would be losing those cues....perhaps this might have been avoided.
A local flight in 400/3 conditions is not all that risky....for an experienced pilot. |
I disagree: 3 miles of ground visibility equals @ 1,5 miles of flight visibility. This paired with a ceiling of 400 ft over water is pretty risky and challenging for any „VFR only“ pilot. |
No mention of a previous post that suggests a close relative of someone in the aircraft happened to be out in a boat in close proximity to the accident? I have seen boats and helicopters ‘ playing games’ overwater on 2 occasions... it never looked pretty |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10479555)
Had he stayed over land....or right along the shoreline....thus having good visible cues or at least the cues to realize he would be losing those cues....perhaps this might have been avoided.
A local flight in 400/3 conditions is not all that risky....for an experienced pilot. Now I've flown low over water before, but its one thing to be say 50 to 100 feet above the water on a nice sunny day, and quite another when there's a solid layer of grey a stone's throw right above your head! |
One witness stated that the weather was "cloudy and the fog was heavy." Another witness reported that the helicopter was "flying very low to the water in dense fog," before the accident occurred. With a 400' ceiling, just how high do you fly? |
cloudy misty day over water without IFR experience and proper equipped helicopter is playing russian roulette - just without knowing excatly, how much time left until you die. I started my flying with the Navy - and was more than once happy, that IfR was part of the Syllabus, even so we operated 100 % „VFR“ over the water... From „I can see a horizon“ to „Where the f... is the horizon“ between the grey sky and grey water was often just a glimpse of the eye. I go along with Robbie, surprised, that he could rent that bird at that METAR with that „experience“ - but who knows, what he was telling them.... |
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