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KiwiNedNZ 2nd Mar 2019 02:20

New AW139s for the RAAF
 
The S76s have finally been replaced.

RAAF AW139s

belly tank 2nd Mar 2019 02:23


Originally Posted by KiwiNedNZ (Post 10404419)
The S76s have finally been replaced.

RAAF AW139s


They started rolling them out 12-18 months ago at various bases, I believe none at Williamtown NSW yet though?.

Sir Korsky 2nd Mar 2019 02:45

and no doubt enjoying that Honeywell Epic :ooh:

gulliBell 2nd Mar 2019 06:02

Did they order them with the upgraded air-conditioning option?

rrekn 2nd Mar 2019 10:31

Air-conditioning? Isn't that what the big fan at this top is for?

Only time I sweat is when it stops....

malabo 2nd Mar 2019 18:58

First 139 to Nigeria didn't have air-con because customers wanted payload priority and the original gross weight meant it carried less than a 76 even before the air-con. Resourceful engineers cut gasper vents into the cabin windows, resourceful pilots painted out the skylights with house paint. The next ones had air-con. In the sun it is a lot hotter in a 139 than a 412/76. Hope the RAAF bean-counters didn't think of a/c as a luxury.

noooby 3rd Mar 2019 00:18

Oh Malabo. That isn't quite true is it. CHC had a Global policy of no aircon in any helicopters at that time if it was optional. A silly rule but there you go.

Payload was about as good as the 76 in the 139 even with the lower gross weight. The real difference was in the real world Nigeria DOC's, where the 139 was cheaper than a 76 because the C+ engines couldn't hack it and were changed out every 600-1000 hours. $$$.

31060, 31070 and 31072 all went to Nigeria without A/C. Yes, resourceful engineers put gasper vents in the windows but it was also resourceful engineers that painted out the glasshouse windows so that the pilots wouldn't put their maps up there for some shade. Pilots in NIgeria would never get their hands dirty with housepaint dear boy! Too busy racing home to the bar and the nightfighters.

If CHC were smarter they would have put the A/C in at the start an not saved the dollars. The weight of the old A/C system is about the same as one person with a bag.

The only thing the 139 couldn't do in Nigeria that the 76 always did do, was break the autopilot. The 139 just kept on trucking. LOL

NumptyAussie 3rd Mar 2019 00:19


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10404488)
Did they order them with the upgraded air-conditioning option?

Would they not have had to place the order a decade ago? I understand these are recycled machines?

gulliBell 3rd Mar 2019 01:01

Dunno. It was always a mystery to me why they put pimped out recycled 76's on that RAAF contract from day 1. I would have thought with a high-profile and financial client like that they would have bought new toys that exactly matched the job requirements.

NumptyAussie 3rd Mar 2019 10:27


Originally Posted by barbados sky (Post 10405395)
Ex Ambulance aircraft from Vic and NSW?

Were the Vic machines not clapped out 412's?

rrekn 3rd Mar 2019 11:28

Looks pretty flash to me, and with aircon (note the inlet in the top sliding cowl)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0293ed369b.jpg

Sound like a pretty good job to me, fly a SAR AW139 on gentlemen's hours... home in time for tea and medals!

NumptyAussie 3rd Mar 2019 12:13


Originally Posted by rrekn (Post 10405666)
Looks pretty flash to me, and with aircon (note the inlet in the top sliding cowl)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0293ed369b.jpg

Sound like a pretty good job to me, fly a SAR AW139 on gentlemen's hours... home in time for tea and medals!

Is that not the same machine in the article, the one with NAVY above the door?

this one has RAAF written on it, and no hole.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....475fe5ad95.jpg

gulliBell 3rd Mar 2019 12:51

Play "spot the difference" - there are quite a few to be had there.

Obviously Navy, as the senior service, they get the aircon and the dual winch and fancy gizmo bolted to the long nose.

industry insider 3rd Mar 2019 13:47

SYJ is a 2007 build, can’t read the rego on the NAVY branded aircraft.

Self loading bear 3rd Mar 2019 17:00


Mark Six 3rd Mar 2019 19:26

VH-NVE is the one supplied for the RAN SAR service at Nowra. It was an ex UK SAR machine with just a couple of hundred hours on it. FLIR, double winch, autohover, etc. SYJ is ex NSW EMS. Was mostly based at Wollongong. None of the NSW EMS machines had air con.

Mark Six 3rd Mar 2019 19:28


Originally Posted by rrekn (Post 10405666)
Looks pretty flash to me, and with aircon (note the inlet in the top sliding cowl)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0293ed369b.jpg

Sound like a pretty good job to me, fly a SAR AW139 on gentlemen's hours... home in time for tea and medals!

Definitely not the case for the Navy machine. 10 hour day as determined by Navy flying programme. Usually starts around 1200, finishes at 2200.

gulliBell 3rd Mar 2019 22:24


Originally Posted by Mark Six (Post 10406005)
VH-NVE is the one supplied for the RAN SAR service at Nowra. It was an ex UK SAR machine with just a couple of hundred hours on it...

That's interesting. So the obedient servants of the mother country get the flash aircon to keep them comfy in the stifling hot 25 degree UK summer heat waves. But out in the dominions of Tindal and Pearce etc where it can be 40+ in the shade for days on end they are only worthy of having the big fan on top. Save the expense and the weight of the optional extras.


gulliBell 3rd Mar 2019 22:32

The boys are on their way back to Nowra from Avalon/Albury in air-conditioned comfort as we speak. So much for the 1200 starts, they've been on the go since dawn it seems. Perhaps a phone call to the union rep on arrival would be in order ;)


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....04a46d5e1c.png

NumptyAussie 3rd Mar 2019 22:52


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10406108)
That's interesting. So the obedient servants of the mother country get the flash aircon to keep them comfy in the stifling hot 25 degree UK summer heat waves. But out in the dominions of Tindal and Pearce etc where it can be 40+ in the shade for days on end they are only worthy of having the big fan on top. Save the expense and the weight of the optional extras.

Was this particular aircraft the "compensation" aircraft when CHC blew up the UK SAR bid by "engaging" a person with a possible conflict of intrest and is not reflective of the standard of fit on the 3 x busted ass 10 year old machines recently imported from the UK in a desperate attempt to try and persuade RAAF that despite flying 30 year old machines on the contract, they do actually have the best interest of RAAF at heart?....draws deep breath...gotta write shorter sentences...

https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/60...ght=Den+helder


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