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s usual, people like to jump on reports in the tabloid press, which is exactly what this is - a Kenyan newspaper report from 2016. The popular press is the same the world over, sensationalist and with only elements of the truth. As far as I know no official report has been published yet (and there’s quite a possibility it may not be released to the public). The press article pretty much sums up the events as they happened... And the "demand" for a "replacement helicopter" for the faulty one" delivered to Kenya is not made up-this is exactly what was communicated.... |
..... and your proof for that is? |
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Police...dvz/index.html
But we should discuss this in the proper thread, as it has nothing to do with the Nigerian crash discussed in this thread.. |
It certainly looks faulty in that photo. No wonder they are demanding a new one.
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The FDR and CVR simultaneously stopped working just before the prang. How convenient. As for their brown-out landing procedure, seems very odd to me.
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All perfectly normal. The CVR and FDR on modern helicopters frequently simultaneously fail before crashes, leading to crew simultaneously having memory loss below 20 feet. As a fine, upstanding operator I’m sure Caverton will be leaving everything to the Nigerian AIB and providing all the help they can to ensure the totally unbiased investigation into this minor incident and finding the actual cause |
Originally Posted by gulliBell
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As for their brown-out landing procedure, seems very odd to me.
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Ok, having done a bit of flying in Africa, and other dusty locations with the 139, let me just say that the "Company's (Caverton) Brownout Landing Procedure" is unlike anything I have ever heard of. Cat A gate of 100/20 is also counter-productive to setting up for a brownout risk landing. Can't fault the pilots, they were following their company procedure. This is one of the consequences when all your work has been airport runway to offshore platform and back, and your procedures reflect what the oil company auditors have rewarded you for. Immediate Safety Recommendation 2019-003 would indicate a simple "never go" since any risk of brownout is going to blow the analysis off scale. And frankly, if that is the brownout procedure published, it is just as well that everyone stays home.
Anybody think to ask the police 412 what his secret was? Those guys probably do a lot more routine dusty landings. |
Not very forthcoming about why the drug and alcohol testing couldn't be carried out on the crew............
Dusty site and coming to a 50' hover - who could possibly have expected to end up in brownout??????? |
Not very forthcoming about why the drug and alcohol testing couldn't be carried out on the crew............ They are very good at treating malaria though, they have plenty of practise at that. |
Unsurprisingly something here smells very fishy. Not the crew or their actions as that just seems, at first sight, to be a bad landing after disorientation in brownout as the result of a flawed landing technique. It might not be, but they wouldn’t be the first crew to have experienced this and I doubt they’ll be the last. But as soon as the name Caverton comes up and we suddenly hear about failures of CVR and FDR just before a very messed up landing my BS meter peaks up in the red. Do Caverton have any other flight data monitoring systems on their aircraft or is that only on the Shell contract 139s? Villages in Nigeria don’t have the facility for drug and alcohol testing but if they were taken to a hospital for a check, they should and they were probably moved to Abuja or Lagos soon after so it should have been done there. |
Not every village in Nigeria has the medical facilities to perform such tests, but even if you have never been, I'm sure you'd be aware of that, wouldn't you? |
Oh dear, crab is now an expert on Nigeria after 5 minutes using Google maps and Wikipedia. Kabba is a small town in an agricultural area. Even in much larger towns in Nigeria you’d find it difficult to get a drug and alcohol test done at short notice. But as usual Mr Crab is an instant expert, probably never having been within 2,000 miles of the place. |
So now its a town and not a village - I'm hardly claiming to be an expert, just asking why there was no drug and alcohol test done - if there aren't the facilities then fine, no skin off my nose.
I'm quite happy not to have been to Nigeria, no one who has worked there seems to have a good thing to say about it - but I'm sure I'm about to be lectured about how wrong I am again..... |
Crab, by UK standards Kabba would be a moderate town - about the size of Andover. Nigeria has been a difficult place for expats for quite a while, which is sad because it has a lot of beautiful countryside. For many of the expat helicopter pilots it was to either Nigeria or the Middle East they went for their first civilian overseas experience as that’s where a lot of the jobs were 40-50 years ago. Nigeria is certainly very different culturally from UK and in the 1970s there were difficulties finding ‘continental’ foodstuffs in the (small) supermarkets and the majority of expats just stayed around their oil company compounds or expat enclaves and didn’t wander far, so got little insight into the country. Nigerians generally tend to be quite loud and can be a little mercurial compared with many Europeans, but underneath they just want the same things as we all do - a better life, better future for their children, decent schools, hospitals and roads. Unfortunately their corrupt leaders have deprived them of that for generations. I used to travel around a lot by car, bus and boat with no problem. Sadly in 1999 that all started to change with the emergence of MEND, to whom expats were kidnap targets and more expats than ever stayed in protected compounds and had to travel to work in armed, escorted convoys. It was still pleasant to travel in the north but with the emergence of Boko Haram that’s also risky now. So yes, I’m sure you wouldn’t enjoy it as it is now, which is a shame because despite everything it’s still the economic powerhouse of Africa with great potential if only the corruption could be curbed as the people are bright and vibrant, friendly and hospitable if you have the opportunity to get to know them. I probably wouldn’t go for a holiday, as it’s not for the faint hearted, but it’s not all bad, despite what some may say |
Soggy - thank you for the insight, it mirrors much of what I have heard from others.
Sadly there are a lot of beautiful countries in the world ruined by corrupt leaders.... |
That stinky stuff has been pumped out of the ground since the 60’s and pretty much zero percent has been put back into infrastructure or development. It’s the most corrupt country in the world, such a shame because the people are so rich in character even though they are wearing mismatched shoes... |
Not that it’s anything to be proud of, but according to the last Transparency International report Nigeria is only equal 144/180 (along with Kenya). Somalia is the world’s most corrupt country.(and having worked in both, it’s quite clear). Nearby Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Chad, Angola, DRC and Congo are all more corrupt. Before making general statements, it’s worth checking the annual CPI |
Someone with a sense of humour at last 😂😂😂 |
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