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Nige321 8th Jan 2019 22:32

Mont Blanc helicopter rescue
 
Sloping ground... :eek:


atakacs 9th Jan 2019 04:17

I wonder how much clearance was available for the rotor blades.

The pilot was quoted claiming this was somewhat routine stuff. Interresting job they are having!

Sikpilot 9th Jan 2019 05:48

Wow. Just wow.

[email protected] 9th Jan 2019 06:15

Since they had a winch and used it to recover the casualty - why on earth would you put the aircraft in such a hazardous position to pick up the first pax?

I know nose-in landings are routine and often the only way to get the job done but in this case it seems an unnecessary risk.

Some skillful flying to be sure but risk vs reward balance???

HeliHenri 9th Jan 2019 06:52


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10355704)
Since they had a winch and used it to recover the casualty - why on earth would you put the aircraft in such a hazardous position to pick up the first pax?


Because that's just a training session, so they use both methods (the title of the thread is not accurate).
.

industry insider 9th Jan 2019 06:55

Crab wrote


Since they had a winch and used it to recover the casualty - why on earth would you put the aircraft in such a hazardous position to pick up the first pax?

I know nose-in landings are routine and often the only way to get the job done but in this case it seems an unnecessary risk.

Some skillful flying to be sure but risk vs reward balance???
My thoughts exactly

gsa 9th Jan 2019 07:08

Thereís no fog or roads involved so thisíll only be one page then.

Nice bit of work though.

[email protected] 9th Jan 2019 07:56


Because that's just a training session, so they use both methods (the title of the thread is not accurate).
fair enough - thanks for clearing that up:ok:

mmurray 9th Jan 2019 08:13

Suggestion here

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...ntain/10703580

that it is a real rescue with people involved named. You also get a longer video. The helicopter off loads 4 rescuers nose-in who sort out the
injured guys leg, then it picks up some of them nose-in and then it winches out injured guy and last rescuer.

[Disclaimer: I know stuff all about helicopters. I'm not a journalist.]

HeliHenri 9th Jan 2019 08:26

My mistake.
You're right mmurray, I've just received a message confirming it and saying that I'm becoming senile :(

mmurray 9th Jan 2019 08:32


Originally Posted by HeliHenri (Post 10355786)
My mistake.
You're right mmurray, I've just received a message confirming it and saying that I'm becoming senile :(

No worries! Thanks. So the nose-in drop-off and pick-up is just because it's quicker than winching 4 people down ?
Seems like it would be more hazardous but see Disclaimer above :-)

SASless 9th Jan 2019 12:08

I hate to be a spoil sport here....but there is much flatter ground shown in the beginning of the video.

In a real rescue....would it not make far more sense to package the victim....and move him a few hundred meters to a spot nearby that would afford a much less demanding landing and perhaps prevent the need for any winching at all.

If the extreme landing practice was desired....why not do it with no one but the crew aboard?

I mean what could possibly go wrong?


For Example:



Drav 9th Jan 2019 12:22

wow indeed

roybert 9th Jan 2019 13:13


Originally Posted by HeliHenri (Post 10355715)
Because that's just a training session, so they use both methods (the title of the thread is not accurate).
.

Training session or not with a winch equipped aircraft why place it in a high risk situation even for a real rescue.

Roybert

[email protected] 9th Jan 2019 13:55

As it now appears to have been a rescue rather than training it does call into question the wisdom of using nose-in landing instead of hoisting just to save a couple of minutes.

JB-123 9th Jan 2019 14:54

Because he is pilot only for the pick up, the winch op is on scene.
He picks up crew then does the winch tx

[email protected] 9th Jan 2019 15:21

No - you can clearly see that there is someone still in the door once the aircraft has dropped off the other 3 persons.

mickjoebill 9th Jan 2019 15:28

Time pressure of clouds closing in?
mjb

JB-123 9th Jan 2019 15:36

I stand corrected - you can see the winch ops feet on the run in

cyclic 9th Jan 2019 16:35

One gust, one autopilot malfunction and a bloke with an injured leg will seem trivial. He would need all his superior skill to get out of his demonstration of superior skill. They put the winch on for a reason.


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