It’s ‘Inshallah’, by the way |
Chaps, this is the UAE (where I fly a lot) and not Saudi, Kuwait or one of the other more stringent states. Painting one Islamic state the same colour as another is just plain wrong; it’s like saying Amish, Mormons and New Yorkers all have the same outlook as the are all American Christians. My mother-in-law was an Irish Catholic and she would often use the phrase ‘God Willing’. Think on that whilst considering the bigotry. |
Hey Evil, you reckon we know the pilots?
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Possible Charlie, quite possible. And worse, the attitude displayed would lead to them flying into a wire they knew was there unfortunately |
Originally Posted by Ed Winchester
(Post 10352993)
Wow. A lot of your posts are worth reading, Sasless. But quantity does not equal quality. And that last post smacks of ignorant racism and a lack of respect for fellow aviators. Sad.
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Originally Posted by Evil Twin
(Post 10353306)
Belief isn't a race Ed.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 10353368)
-the cause of more conflicts, arguments and lives lost than anything else in history -
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Crab,
Sam Clemens....aka Mark Twain had some very interesting views of religion. Take a stroll down through some of them at the link below. I very much embrace Twain's views on the topic....but then I did read all of his writings over the Years...books, letters, and performances. Hal Holbrook did a great Impersonation of Twain that can be found at various place as a Video. Mark Twain quotations - Religion Let's not turn this into a discussion suitable for Jet Blast.....as we all should remember four people died in a very tragic manner....four people drawn from our community of Helicopter Pilots and Crew Members. |
Very much with you regarding Twain's thoughts Sas:ok:
Something went wrong in that cockpit to lead to the wirestrike - distraction, disorientation, task focus - so many possible causes getting in the way of the prime function - fly the aircraft! |
First, and as with any tragic accident such as this, heartfelt condolences to the families and friends and prayers the crew are at peace according to their belief(s). Second, I hope this isn't too far a drift from the thrust of the thread and/ or it doesn't cast a disparaging light on the crew or anyone else involved - it isn't intended to, but Crab activated the few of my remaining brain cells and I felt compelled to opine.
...so many possible causes getting in the way of the prime function - fly the aircraft! C: CONTROL the aircraft, A: ANALYSE the situation and R: RESOLVE/ REACT. He claimed, no matter what the situation, from the time you blast off til you walk off into the sunset while the rotors slowly coast down, you have to do things in that order, because; once you lose control - you're probably going to lose. Next, if you react before you analyse - in essence, you're shooting in the dark, and while you may get lucky, chances are you're probably going to lose - especially in more advanced, multi-engine aircraft where your reactions may be an answer to multiple choice questions. Bottom line... ...fly the aircraft! |
Not at all. Not just us either: http://www.havkom.se/assets/reports/RL-2016_11e.pdf. In the absence of a “whoa, what was that?” Sudden positive g sensation, what would prompt you to stuff the nose down? |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 10353419)
..Something went wrong in that cockpit to lead to the wirestrike..
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212man......there are three AI's on that instrument panel.....why would one not take a peek at the old fashioned thing in the center of the panel and see which two of the three agree?
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Agree with Crab on this entirely. Totally avoidable tragedy |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10353779)
..Am adverse to comments denigrating a crew...you're only as good as your last flight, irrespective of hours or experience.
(assuming they inadvertently flew into a known obstacle) |
The entire sequence makes me wonder whether they were so fixated on identifying and avoiding the wires that they knew where there, that in searching for them they failed to spot them and instead inadvertently flew directly into them. Any pilot will attest to the difficulty (or even impossibility) of identifying known wires without the normal cues such as pylons or other landmark structures. In such a massive 3D space they may have been almost impossible to see, especially if you become focused on where you believe they are, rather than where they actually are. Even four sets of trained eyes is no guarantee of the outcome.
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Did they have a wirestrike kit fitted?
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by the looks of it, yes...
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I guess that crew wasn't so good then as their last flight met about their demise |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10354606)
You're the pot calling the kettle gulli. Like the rest of us, you've done some extremely stupid things, and had them filmed I'm told.
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