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Cyclic Hotline 17th Dec 2018 23:56

Helicopter Insurance Premiums could double
 
Anyone seeing this in the market today?

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...s-could-double


Helicopter owners are in for major sticker shock when they receive their next insurance premium bill, particularly private pilots and small commercial operator. So counsels Matt Drummelsmith, president of insurance brokerage Aviation Specialty Insurance. Drummelsmith said premiums are in some cases even doubling, while some carriers are dropping customers and others are refusing to underwrite entire policies. Drummelsmith says the carnage “already is in full swing” and no one is immune. “It doesn’t matter what you size, scope, or experience is,” he said. “Some carriers are not even quoting at this point and those that are are taking a much harder look at pilots and operations. Things that could be underwritten six to eight months ago are now being declined, the policies that are being written have heavy restrictions, and some premiums are even doubling. It’s a much harder process,” especially for new helicopter buyers, cautioned Drummelsmith.

A low-time pilot in a Robinson R44 could easily face premiums of up to $20,000 a year in this environment, he notes. Drummelsmith said the premium increases are being fueled by ballooning accident settlement costs that now can run into nine figures, especially with EMS operators. “Carriers don’t want any new liability in this segment,” he said. “And they quote accordingly.”

In his own practice, Drummelsmith gives the example of the difficulty obtaining insurance for a client with a Bell 429 that is dual-pilot, professionally flown. “This client should have been a slam dunk for any carrier out there,” he said. Instead, Drummelsmith needed to find several carriers to take on portions of the policy. He said policies for large helicopters now sometimes need as many as five carriers to share the risk.

While premiums that double are on the extreme end of the spectrum, Drummelsmith warns that even good operators with good safety records are in for pain. “Low-risk Part 91 operators will likely see increases of between five to ten percent, while an EMS operator with 15 to 20 claims of any kind, which is not all that uncommon, will easily see premium increases above 20 percent,” he said. New buyers who operate single pilot will take the biggest hits. Drummelsmith says that those operators can get insurance, but with large deductibles, sometimes as much as $250,000. Even then companies are increasingly reluctant to insure for anywhere near full hull value, sometimes leaving aircraft owners with an insured exposure equivalent to 15 to 25 percent of the aircraft’s value.

Ironically, the premium increases come at a time when the overall accident rate, particularly the fatal accident rate, for helicopters is trending down dramatically. But, Drummelsmith insists, that doesn’t matter. “Even if accidents are down, it doesn’t mean they aren’t severe; insurance companies base premiums not on the count, but on the amount of the claims paid,” Drummelsmith said, noting that individual helicopter accidents now can trigger settlements up to $500 million. Those potential liabilities are driving some insurers from the marketplace.

It’s already happening in Europe he said, noting that nine European aviation insurance syndicates closed their doors or merged in recent years and two more carriers closed in the U.S., including W.R. Berkley. “Smaller carriers, mainly of aviation insurance, don’t have the capacity to write policies with ten to thirty million dollar limits anymore,” Drummelsmith said, “and big carriers don’t want to be hit with writing a massive check.” The situation overall is creating “a hell of a lot more work for people in the brokerage world,” he said. “We spend most of our time just trying to keep clients in comparable policies at a reasonable rate.”

While larger settlements are driving some of the rate increases, so is the downturn in the lucrative medium and large helicopter operator segment that services the offshore energy industry. With substantially fewer helicopters flying in that market, the aggregate amount of premiums paid has declined and insurers need to make that money back on the remainder of helicopters flying, a spokesman for one helicopter OEM told AIN.

The impact of all of this could be substantial on both the used and new helicopter market, said Jason Kmiecik, acting president of HeliValue$, the helicopter sales tracking and valuation firm.

“This is going to put a large hurt on some operators,” he said, possibly to the point of forcing some operators out of business, and depressing helicopter prices. “This market does not need any more machines for sale than it already has,” he said.

Drummelsmith thinks the rate hikes are temporary, but there really is no effective way an operator can shield from the impact. “Once the market normalizes, it will be back to a buyer’s market,” he said.

Ascend Charlie 18th Dec 2018 04:39


increases are being fueled by ballooning accident settlement costs
Won't worry me then, I don't fly a balloon...

evil7 18th Dec 2018 05:51

You don‘t fly balloons - you drive them😉

John R81 18th Dec 2018 11:11

Insurance quote just in - 75% premium increase proposed. Ouch! Some negotiating, and agreeing to restrict use by commercial pilots (now require a min 500 hr PIC with 100 Turbine included therein) brought it back to reality.

Robbo Jock 18th Dec 2018 12:23

Makes sense to mandate minimum hours because, let's face it, it's all those multi-million dollar helicopters being crashed by low hours pilots that are causing the big settlements.
One day, before you're even allowed to start learning to fly helicopters, insurance companies will be demanding you have 500 hours PIC!

ShyTorque 18th Dec 2018 13:00

I don't find this too surprising. Insurance companies are in that business for profit, not for charity. Thirty years ago, there were many more highly experienced helicopter pilots on the market. These days many demanding posts have to filled by some without that same level of experience.

Bell_ringer 18th Dec 2018 13:27

Insurance woes are a result of the litigious culture in the US.
Doesn't matter how experienced you are, the lawyers want their pound of flesh.
Accidents happen, just the payouts keep growing.

cats_five 18th Dec 2018 14:15

It's not just helicopters. Talk at the gliding club is of a big hike next year, plus a lot more interested being taken in trailers than in the past even though trailer accidents are a very small proportion off glider claims.

SASless 18th Dec 2018 14:18

Please do explain how the Litigous Nature of US Lawyers (which you are certainly correct) affects the UK Legal System re Civil Issues such as Actions for Damages?

Jetstream67 18th Dec 2018 14:52


Originally Posted by evil7 (Post 10338121)
You don‘t fly balloons - you drive them😉

More like herding them :)

Bell_ringer 18th Dec 2018 15:31


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10338498)
Please do explain how the Litigous Nature of US Lawyers (which you are certainly correct) affects the UK Legal System re Civil Issues such as Actions for Damages?

Was speaking in a US specific context.
The UK has its own challenges, but the global trend is to seek as big penalties as can be squeezed through the relevant judiciary..
Rising medical costs for long term treatment aren't helping either, perhaps less of an issue for people benefitting from the NHS.

RVDT 18th Dec 2018 17:03

The article appears to be written covering the U.S. insurance market?

There is a lot of variation out there. US Aviation insurance is kind of firewalled from other markets and vice versa due to reasons already listed.

I wouldn't take this article as a global generilisation.

SuperF 19th Dec 2018 08:49

interesting, we just renewed and got a small decrease... We have a junior pilot, no limits on hours, etc

John R81 19th Dec 2018 11:56

UK market is affected by the price of settling claims - high-value passengers!

SASless 19th Dec 2018 12:27

I found this article to have some interesting ideas and information about the US Legal System re Product Liability Insurance.

https://www.nap.edu/read/4768/chapter/17

79Y 20th Dec 2018 15:43

Just renewed my 44s' insurance on the 14th of this month and it went down a little less than 3,000.00 to about 5,800.00 not bad for a 440 hr private pilot. I do start shopping around August to keep my agent honest.

whitefriars 31st Dec 2018 08:36

I’m longtime retired from the Insurance industry, but was an Aviation underwriter. Talking to people who still work in the Industry tell be there’s gross overcapacity keeping rates low. The total worldwide Airline insurance Premiums for the past year are less than those in 1989. The whole Aviation Insurance sector is losing money in bucketloads, and this can’t continue. Expect large hikes in all Aviation Insurance sectors within the next couple of years.


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