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stilllearning 19th Nov 2018 09:43

CALIFORNIA FIRES
 
Just wondering if some Ppruners are up to how the crews are doing in California.
How many duty hours are they doing? How many hours flown? How are they rostering to cope with fatigue? How many of them are night dropping and how are they handling duty hours and safety??
I guess thay are doing a job worth to know about ....
thanks in advance and fly safe

SASless 19th Nov 2018 11:22

Gordy who attends these parts would be an excellent source of information for you.....send him a PM.

John Eacott 19th Nov 2018 20:00

This one's worth watching all the way through :ok::cool:





Fareastdriver 19th Nov 2018 20:25

Nice one!!!!!!

Carbon Bootprint 19th Nov 2018 21:35

Fantastic video, John. A lot of respect for those guys! :ok:

twinstar_ca 20th Nov 2018 00:04

Outstanding is correct!! Well done to all.... :D:ok:

Vertical Freedom 20th Nov 2018 00:09

Great work!

heli kiwi 20th Nov 2018 01:20

Definitely Outstanding. 👍👍

haihio 20th Nov 2018 04:25

Great video and good job !
what aircraft are they flying ?

Karearea 20th Nov 2018 05:44

Finely done.

Evil Twin 20th Nov 2018 07:18

Well done guys, great job

skadi 20th Nov 2018 07:45


Originally Posted by haihio (Post 10315206)
Great video and good job !
what aircraft are they flying ?

AW139

skadi

Gordy 20th Nov 2018 08:01

I was on the Camp fire day 1, I have 4 of my aircraft on it now. No night drops, and fatigue is not an issue as we are down to 10 hour days due to lack of daylight---we normally do 14 hour days. Most days have been no fly days due to visibility anyway.

Command and control was a mess on day 1 & 2 as it moved so fast and then in came CHP and decided to freelance rescues with out talking to Air Attack supervisor....a lot of political wrangling going on.... More to follow....

farmpilot 20th Nov 2018 08:11

Wow, really nicely done.

RVDT 20th Nov 2018 09:13

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dc0ee351e0.jpg

Waldorf and Statdtler moment -


No different to what we used to do more than 30 years ago!
More than likely with an old Jetbanger or AStar as well which would be more capable as at least you might be able to land in more places.

Can't remember blowing so much smoke up each other either - but hey that's progress or maybe a cultural thing!

stilllearning 20th Nov 2018 09:18

Great job and outstanding CRM !!!! Good to know about how it is going. Also would be great to share lessons learnt.
Thanks Jonh & Gordy

Carbon Bootprint 20th Nov 2018 13:51


Originally Posted by skadi (Post 10315289)
AW139

Correct. Some more info and background here.

Completely agree with comment about excellent CRM. Good ground comms also. :D

SASless 20th Nov 2018 14:17

The old question of Bucket or Belly Tank continues as both systems mature and improve.

Used to be Belly Tanks were used for brush fires and Buckets for Forest Fires.

Then....the Greeners in California who worry about some fish while the whole forest around them is burning down...got into the act.

Their worry....some fire retardant left in on the insides of the bucket might contaminate a bit of water!

Like the mud slides, ash, and fallen timber clogging the very same streams would not create a problem that far transcends any possible contamination done by a bucket.


https://www.helicoptersmagazine.com/...elly-tanks-111


Forest practices (or the lack of it )also plays a huge role in these fires.

Building Codes that allow for wood shingle roofing and brush/trees being left to grow right up against dwellings and other structures also causes a problem.

Of course....the Media and others shall invariably blame Climate Change for these calamities....rather than fairly discuss ALL the issues that are a factor.

malabo 20th Nov 2018 14:35

Maybe its an AW139 thing, wide-body, piss-poor utility visibility, and a couple of guys obviously out of their element in confined/unprepared sites. Compensated for by overactive, though productive, CRM. A single-pilot bush guy with an AStar would just have gone in, landed, and left, humming "the high and the mighty". Gordy has mentioned before it is somewhat a "kalifornia" thing with multiple government agencies with their own fleets (this one was LA County Fire - Air Ops) criss-crossing over each other, where out of state the fire is co-ordinated by gov/state, but helicopters are contracted experienced utility operators. You won't substitute experience with training. Was anybody else straining their eyes looking for guy wires?

Carbon Bootprint 20th Nov 2018 15:54


Originally Posted by malabo (Post 10315609)
Maybe its an AW139 thing, wide-body, piss-poor utility visibility, and a couple of guys obviously out of their element in confined/unprepared sites. Compensated for by overactive, though productive, CRM. A single-pilot bush guy with an AStar would just have gone in, landed, and left, humming "the high and the mighty". Gordy has mentioned before it is somewhat a "kalifornia" thing with multiple government agencies with their own fleets (this one was LA County Fire - Air Ops) criss-crossing over each other, where out of state the fire is co-ordinated by gov/state, but helicopters are contracted experienced utility operators. You won't substitute experience with training. Was anybody else straining their eyes looking for guy wires?

I guess you're not a fan of the AW139, to each his own. For the record, the ship belongs to LAFD which is the City of Los Angeles FD. LA County FD has its own fleet, though I suppose that sort of reinforces your/Gordy's point on all the government operators on the Left Coast. And then there's CalFire.


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