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tartare 15th Oct 2018 04:58

Marine One start up
 
I have noticed that when POTUS talks to reporters, or walks to the machine, the turbines often sound like they're running, but the blades are not yet turning.
Does the VH-3D have a ground idle setting which is used at this point - once he's on board then flight idle selected and blades begin to turn?

Sikpilot 15th Oct 2018 05:10

Sounds like there is a rotor brake like in the S58 and S76

John Eacott 15th Oct 2018 05:39

Standard Sea King start is with rotor brake on, both engines running before engaging rotors.

At least it used to be ;)

skadi 15th Oct 2018 06:21


Originally Posted by John Eacott (Post 10283398)
Standard Sea King start is with rotor brake on, both engines running before engaging rotors.

At least it used to be ;)

At least the Westland Kings have an AccessoryDrive ( actuated free wheeling unit ) so #1 could drive the hydraulics/generators without load on the rotorbrake...

skadi

Sloppy Link 15th Oct 2018 06:47

Errrm....APU?

212man 15th Oct 2018 07:27


Originally Posted by Sloppy Link (Post 10283434)
Errrm....APU?

Errmm....on a Sea King?

Non-PC Plod 15th Oct 2018 08:14

Not exactly a Sea King - I believe its known as an H3 across the pond. I think it has different engines, but I would imagine the same gearbox, including the accessory drive. As a maritime helicopter, the acc drive is part of the basic design to provide hydraulic power to fold/unfold the blades onboard ship.

John Eacott 15th Oct 2018 08:15


Originally Posted by skadi (Post 10283411)
At least the Westland Kings have an AccessoryDrive ( actuated free wheeling unit ) so #1 could drive the hydraulics/generators without load on the rotorbrake...

skadi


As do the Sikorsky Sea King/SH-3 :ok:


Getting back to the OP, the engines can be running and the rotors held on the rotor brake.

BTC8183 15th Oct 2018 10:37

Apu!
 
Not often seen, as photos of the VH-3 tend to be of the LH side and main cabin door, but the RH MLG sponson has an APU attached to it.

skadi 15th Oct 2018 11:00


Originally Posted by BTC8183 (Post 10283601)
Not often seen, as photos of the VH-3 tend to be of the LH side and main cabin door, but the RH MLG sponson has an APU attached to it.

Ok, here it is from left side

http://www.collectivemag.com/wp-cont...en-730x480.jpg

skadi

212man 15th Oct 2018 12:41


Originally Posted by BTC8183 (Post 10283601)
Not often seen, as photos of the VH-3 tend to be of the LH side and main cabin door, but the RH MLG sponson has an APU attached to it.

You learn something new every day!

Carbon Bootprint 15th Oct 2018 15:41


Ok, here it is from left side
That would appear to be from the "other" left side, but thanks for the picture! :ok:

Non-PC Plod 15th Oct 2018 15:54

Nah, that's the blow-dryer for his rug!

Torquetalk 15th Oct 2018 16:06


Originally Posted by Non-PC Plod (Post 10283834)
Nah, that's the blow-dryer for his rug!

Is that a metaphor for his hair? Can imagine it comes in handy for some industrial scale daily hairdressing.

skadi 15th Oct 2018 16:08


Originally Posted by Carbon Bootprint (Post 10283822)
That would appear to be from the "other" left side, but thanks for the picture! :ok:

Oh yes! :ok:

skadi

Sloppy Link 15th Oct 2018 18:32


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10283454)
Errmm....on a Sea King?

Errrm....feel free to acknowledge....

MightyGem 15th Oct 2018 19:16

Hardly standard fit though.

Thomas coupling 15th Oct 2018 19:24

Sikorsky H3. T-58 engines. Engine sits at Ground Idle in Acc drive. No clutch, no holding on rotor brake. Just sitting there at 51-58 Nf.
His helo is one of 5. They fly mostly everywhere as a 5 ship and swap postions frequently. This deters G2A missiles locking onto the one with the Protus onboard.
The APU is a test bed being readied for the replacement programme for the presidents helicopter.

krypton_john 15th Oct 2018 20:02


Originally Posted by Sloppy Link (Post 10283932)

Errrm....feel free to acknowledge....

Well, to be specific, you won't find it on an actual Sea King...

krypton_john 15th Oct 2018 20:04


Originally Posted by Thomas coupling (Post 10283987)
Sikorsky H3. T-58 engines. Engine sits at Ground Idle in Acc drive. No clutch, no holding on rotor brake. Just sitting there at 51-58 Nf.
His helo is one of 5. They fly mostly everywhere as a 5 ship and swap postions frequently. This deters G2A missiles locking onto the one with the Protus onboard.
The APU is a test bed being readied for the replacement programme for the presidents helicopter.

Presumably the Donald would not be aboard the test bed? So the baddies' chances are now 1 in 4!


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