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Twist & Shout 30th Sep 2018 06:40


Originally Posted by hueyracer (Post 10262079)
You guys saw the thread title, right?

"Commercial pilots eating in Flight".

Not "Utility pilots", not "military pilots".

Those days of 12-hour flying time is long gone even for Offshore-pilots......

Again i bring up the term "sterile cockpit procedure"-if you´re doing short hops, you dont eat-period.

If you´re doing long legs, you usually get a break in between nowadays....


If one of my engineers would call me, saying "we have to ground the helicopter tomorrow, as we need to pull the radios out to remove the spicy chicken soup one of the pilots poured over it", i would kick this pilots ass..

Oh, this should be good.
Fuel added. Flames fanned.

Fareastdriver 30th Sep 2018 08:44


"we have to ground the helicopter tomorrow, as we need to pull the radios out to remove the spicy chicken soup one of the pilots poured over it",
They can do that whilst they are cleaning the ash trays.

BluSdUp 30th Sep 2018 10:19

Food in , Food out?
 
Good Sunday Morning.
It sounds to me the need to put food in on some of these operations was taken care of in a practical way.
I have a few 1000 hrs on Beech 200 that was certified for Single Pilot operation, no toilet. 7 hrs range!
It had a pee tube under the Cpt seat mind You.
I , fortunately have Long Haule Blader and never had to use it.
( We operated less then 2 hrs generally and with 2 crew.)
Had some Pax in an awfull hurry at destination some times , mind You.

Regards
Cpt B

John Eacott 30th Sep 2018 11:01


Originally Posted by hueyracer (Post 10262079)
You guys saw the thread title, right?

"Commercial pilots eating in Flight".

Not "Utility pilots", not "military pilots".

Those days of 12-hour flying time is long gone even for Offshore-pilots......

Someone hasn’t understood that ‘utility’ or ‘aerial work’ ops are Commercial. Indeed you won’t find anyone without a CPL or ATPL on the fireline be it flying a Helitack or a Firebird.

And where you get the idea that 12 hour flying (or duty) days are long gone indicates that you are leading a very sheltered aviation life. :rolleyes:

Hughes500 30th Sep 2018 11:04

blimey how else would I keep my racing snake shape on 12 hour days ?

megan 1st Oct 2018 01:07

If asked nicely I think 212man has a photo taken during a helo ferry flight to Africa showing inflight cuisine as it should be.

SASless 1st Oct 2018 01:11

The glass of fine French Wine and cloth serviette was the final touches weren't they?

212man 1st Oct 2018 14:08


If asked nicely I think 212man has a photo taken during a helo ferry flight to Africa showing inflight cuisine as it should be.[/
Indeed (been off my laptop a couple of days so slow to upload)!

Rig meals are all very well but I far prefer Air France Catering - Gravlax starter (on the fork), game terrine for main and a cheese board, all washed down with a nice Cote d 'Rhone which they kindly opened in advance..... :ok:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cfddd6f532.jpg


(PS. Just in case anybody is stupid enough to think we actually drank it in flight - no we did not, we waited until the end of the second leg in our hotel in Tangier and enjoyed it there. You can never be sure these days how easily outraged people can be!)

SASless 1st Oct 2018 15:47

Dang! There I was thinking it was Forcardos Fare!

Fareastdriver 1st Oct 2018 18:30

Yonks ago I flew a Puma HC1 to Rome for a kind of liaison visit. I think that the Italian Air Force was expecting somebody more important than a flight lieutenant because the bemedalled welcoming party evaporated. However the rest gave us a good time in Rome.

On the return trip we had a lunch box provided for us. We cruised up the west of Italy and just before crossing into France we opened up the box. There was a superb selection of rolls and cheeses plus a bottle of Chianti.

We thought about it for a moment:

When in Rome.........................................

Sir Niall Dementia 2nd Oct 2018 10:34

The good old days of two squares from platforms and two packs of twenty per pilot per rotation, the best breakfast was the Fulmar and the best food all round was from the Asian galley on the DB102.

And despite the warnings on the packets smoking saves lives:

AS332 Aberdeen to the Basin , 3000' outbound on top of the usual January low stratus level, I was in the P2 seat doing the paperwork, P1 passed me a cigarette as I was about to start the power assurance. Sliding window open, the smoke and ash went nicely out and no-one was much the wiser. Cigarette ended roughly at the same time as the PA. I flicked the stub out of the window and saw what looked like a HISL, but could'nt see an aircraft in the glare, I looked in blinked and looked out again. A fisheries protection Cessna was about to come through my window, I yelled "PULL!" and P1 yanked the cyclic back, we vaulted over the Cessna and missed him by not a lot. If I hadn't had that cigarette and thrown the stub out at that moment I'm pretty sure we would have hit, ergo, smoking saves lives (well thats one of my many excuses for never giving it up)

I also loved the chemical analysis of a liquid that had buggered the SAS on an S61, The full spectro of tea was quite something to see.

SND

DOUBLE BOGEY 2nd Oct 2018 11:43


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 10263110)
Indeed (been off my laptop a couple of days so slow to upload)!

Rig meals are all very well but I far prefer Air France Catering - Gravlax starter (on the fork), game terrine for main and a cheese board, all washed down with a nice Cote d 'Rhone which they kindly opened in advance..... :ok:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cfddd6f532.jpg


(PS. Just in case anybody is stupid enough to think we actually drank it in flight - no we did not, we waited until the end of the second leg in our hotel in Tangier and enjoyed it there. You can never be sure these days how easily outraged people can be!)

I am outraged...…..no bloody rank slides, tut tut.

pants on fire... 2nd Oct 2018 16:59

Rig meals were the primary sustenance for the commuting crews, in fact if they didn't provide this food, there is a good chance they might have starved to death. Of course the truly frugal, not only survived on rig meals during the work day, but took any remaining food back to the company house and either ate it or froze it for future use!

You know who you are!

Fareastdriver 2nd Oct 2018 18:02

One used to take his rig meals home, work out how much it would cost, then deduct it from his missus's housekeeping.

My dog loved rig meals. Beef, chicken, bacon and eggs, salad with picked onion, it didn't matter. Any rig meal was demolished instantaneously and we used to feed him pretty well also.

pilot1234567 2nd Oct 2018 19:20


Originally Posted by hueyracer (Post 10262079)
Those days of 12-hour flying time is long gone


Umm, I flew about 30 12-hour days last summer.

DOUBLE BOGEY 2nd Oct 2018 19:23


Originally Posted by pilot1234567 (Post 10264306)
Umm, I flew about 30 12-hour days last summer.

Then you really ought to get a life bud! 12 hours is just too much.

SASless 2nd Oct 2018 19:53

I forget....there is life outside Blighty?

Torquetalk 2nd Oct 2018 20:47


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10264335)
I forget....there is life outside Blighty?

Just a myth that

You should try putting a goldfish bowl on your head with a reflective inner surface: does wonders for your sense of importance in the world. Ask Boris.

helimutt 2nd Oct 2018 20:55

I'll try to keep this brief. Tasked with a flight out of XXXX to the furthest rig we serviced at the time, myself and another pilot had to fly initially to YYYY to pick up a much needed pump seal. It was winter. It was crap weather. It was night. We flew to YYYY, picked up the seal, flew up to the rig where the helideck team met us with two huge trays of roast dinner. It was late at night. We had finished the meals by the time we got back to XXXX about 4 hours later, thinking that was a fun old evening. (sarcasm). Shutting down the aircraft and climbing out for the night, I noticed the seal still in the envelope in the cockpit. Not one person asked about that seal and nothing was ever said. :)

Oh and if any of you ever flew offshore in Gulf of Thailand, I'm pretty certain you've eaten a tuna sandwich many times. :)

Sir Niall Dementia 3rd Oct 2018 09:38

Oh and if any of you ever flew offshore in Gulf of Thailand, I'm pretty certain you've eaten a tuna sandwich many times. :)[/QUOTE]

They were awesome off Malaysia, those or nasi lemak for breakfast.

SND

ericferret 12th Oct 2018 11:01

Have not seen fag ash on the floor of a North sea helicopter for 20 years. I remember Bonds chief pilot pulling the ashtrays out of any 105 he flew in prior to launching them into the farmers field at Strubby As to eating in the cockpit today just look under the crew seats. You could grow spuds under some of them.
Now and then a pilot complains. More than happy to show him where we keep the vacuum cleaner.

For 139 pilots the MCDU screens are not sealed and therefore make poor stands for coffee cups. Spill anything there and it rapidly goes into the expensive bits.

Fareastdriver 12th Oct 2018 13:02


Have not seen fag ash on the floor of a North sea helicopter for 20 years.
I retired from Bristows twenty years ago. With me went the best airfield homing aid--a trail of dog ends leading to the runway.

SASless 12th Oct 2018 13:09

You had some fierce competition.....I recall a couple of old timers that set the standard.

One, who always wore the same dark blue suit, maintained an appearance that looked like he used his suit coat front for an ash tray.....and the other from Down Under could maintain an ash on his fag that completely defied gravity and the inability of the Engineers to track rotors.

Boslandew 16th Oct 2018 12:29

EATING EN ROUTE
 
I'm surprised to hear it's considered to be a problem, it certainly wasn't in my day, 1975-1999. Whether it was five hour plus flights in the Chinook or shuttling around the Leman/Indie in 61's or 76's, a good scran was always high on the priority list. The Magnus used to do a smashing fried breakfast and we had one co-pilot who could finish his by the top of the climb on the way home.

industry insider 16th Oct 2018 14:43


and the other from Down Under could maintain an ash on his fag that completely defied gravity and the inability of the Engineers to track rotors.
....And who used to train instrument flying in Great Yarmouth on the 206. When reading the initial approach checklist during instrument training, when it came to no the item smoking and seatbesgn he would say as he was lighting another B&H “don’t worry about that crap, just concentrate on flying the approach”. What a great instructor he was though, taught me a great deal, the old Digger.

SASless 16th Oct 2018 16:40

So true Shag!

212man 16th Oct 2018 17:35

I was in Redhill being quizzed by a CAA FOTI as the final stage of my TRE test, when he asked if a pilot could be a TRE after reaching 65. I was slightly taken off guard and paused for a moment, looking out of the window as sagely as I could, when a Honda Civic parked outside and who should step out with his characteristic fag hanging out! In immediately remembered he was a TRE at Wycombe Air Park (after retiring from from BHL). Question answered!

Canuck Guy 17th Oct 2018 17:34

Rig food is always a fun gamble. Had everything from a lovely T-Bone steak to a stale sandwich with green moldy mystery meat.
You quicky become wary of every fart!

On topic, I wouldn’t worry much about peanuts. Those are a healthy food, which you’re not likely to ever find on a rig :}

Fareastdriver 17th Oct 2018 18:37

There was a major upset on the S76A when they introduced the second dinghy. It was installed against the captains door and it blocked the car type ash tray assembly that was built in. I had to go to Halfords and buy a stick on car ash tray to keep me going.

I was bringing a S76A GBJVZ from Antwerp to Redhill. It was a very early S76 with a small centre consol and old fashioned instruments and OBS which didn't work. As the weather was a bit iffy I flew back in formation with Avgas who was flying the other fully equipped one.

The normal place where I put my fags and lighter was not available to I tucked them against a ledge which had a blanking plate for the Loran or something. All went well until it was time to light up and my lighter wasn't there. Fingers found a big gap under the blanking plate which my lighter had dived in to.

We had a little screwdriver gismo around our necks to undo the Zeus fasteners on the cowling so I eased out of the formation a bit and removed the plate. There was my lighter nestled amongst all the cockpit's electronics' wiring.

I recovered it and at that point my maps migrated off the left hand seat down onto the floor by the collective. I needed my maps in case we got separated so I eased out to about four spans and did the old Bristol Sycamore trick when changing pilots.

I unstrapped, eased myself up and sat on the centre consol. swung my legs into the port footwell and pushed myself over into the left seat. I recovered my maps and reversed the procedure to get back again.

The aircraft did exactly what it was told; kept perfect formation.

Coming into Gatwick it was an ILS and my kit didn't work. I cleared it with ATC so I did a formation ILS (1/2 span) on Avgas and we broke cloud at about 600ft.

It took me back to my stovie days when we did formation GCAs on Bingo fuel.

SASless 17th Oct 2018 21:26

Odd how your formation flying skills pick up at those kinds of times.....along with some severe muscle strain in the vicinity of your nether regions.

solitaire 24th Oct 2018 18:09

Inbound after a long day in a S61. Checked box of food kindly provided. Nice curry but alas no cutlery! After much muttering and the odd swear word, discovered that the slide from the CRP5 computer (remember those?) makes a handy eating implement. Calm restored.

Happy days!

industry insider 25th Oct 2018 10:27


I was bringing a S76A GBJVZ from Antwerp to Redhill.
That ended up being my favourite S-76, it was the original North Denes aircraft, light and still had fuel pressure gauges for years!

Fareastdriver 26th Oct 2018 09:42

The only one with four proper doors.


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