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fagin's goat 22nd Feb 2018 19:27

S61 G-ATBJ damaged
 
G-ATBJ Sikorsky S-61N C/N 61-269 - Helicopter Database

Great shame to hear that S61 G-ATBJ has apparently had an incident at Marchwood this Feb. The link suggests the aircraft has been written off. Any ppruners have any more info?

Cazalet33 22nd Feb 2018 20:40

Can't answer her recent history, but OhmiGawd! It makes me feel so old to remember Bravo Jules in her BeaCopter days when we were so young.

Is it really forty five years ago already? Damn nearly half a century. A significant fraction of a millennium. Consequently a significant, hopefully small, fraction of the age of a dinosaur.

I really ought to buzz off the winter plumage entirely instead of just tweaking back the Chinaman's hat on my beard trimmer's trim. The plumage makes me look older than I feel when I just shave the periphery. I'm not really that old. Am I?

Bravo Jules. A good 'un.

I remember doing norty stuff, like belting through between the twin crown blocks of a certain Northern platform, at rather close to Vne, with the for'ard part of the disc not very much above the sticky up bits on the tops of the derricks. You can tell that stuff to the whey-faced kids nowadays and they won't believe you. Nor should they, but it's true. We did that thing, at least once, deniably.

Here's tae ya, Bravo Jules! We pulled some pitch in our day!

Cyclic Hotline 23rd Feb 2018 00:15

An NTSB report on the occurence.

https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.a...18WA090&akey=1

And an ASN report with the wrong year posted.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=206283

[email protected] 23rd Feb 2018 06:07

And also it was the original Hampshire, not New Hampshire:ok:

Bell_ringer 23rd Feb 2018 06:47


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10062305)
And also it was the original Hampshire, not New Hampshire:ok:

Olde Hampshire :}

Sir Niall Dementia 23rd Feb 2018 21:54

Dear old BJ;

I hope she’s not badly damaged. I flew quite a few hours in her. Like all 61’s she’s a special aircraft. Still my favourite helicopter type, and I haven’t flown one since 1995. Nothing since has matched the 61.

SND

heli1 24th Feb 2018 08:45


Originally Posted by Sir Niall Dementia (Post 10063162)
Dear old BJ;

I hope she’s not badly damaged. I flew quite a few hours in her. Like all 61’s she’s a special aircraft. Still my favourite helicopter type, and I haven’t flown one since 1995. Nothing since has matched the 61.

SND

The Helicopter Museum would give 'BJ a good home,with its long North Sea history,but suspect it's worth too much in spare parts?

FD2 24th Feb 2018 20:06

Agree with you Sir Niall - great machines - hope she's not written off.

First flown Nov 1977 LSI - Borgland Dolphin. Good grief - that's over 40 years ago...

Gandalf the Viking 24th Feb 2018 21:22

BJ was the first 61 to position to Shetland in May 1971 when Shell started drilling in what was to become the Brent oilfield. 47 years. Good record.

fagin's goat 26th Feb 2018 13:36

NTSB Identification: CEN18WA090
14 CFR Unknown
Accident occurred Thursday, February 01, 2018 in Marchwood, New Hampshire, United Kingdom
Aircraft: SIKORSKY S61, registration:
Injuries: Unavailable

The foreign authority was the source of this information.

On February 1, 2018, a Sikorsky S-61N helicopter (G-ATBJ, s/n 6126930-439), pitched down and stuck the ground while hovering after takeoff near Marchwood, Hampshire in the United Kingdom. There was two persons on board, who were not injured.

This investigation is under the jurisdiction and control of the government of the United Kingdom. Any further information may be obtained from:

Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB)
Email: [email protected]

VP-F__ 14th May 2019 00:42

15 months on and all silent on this. The AAIB still shows it as under investigation, there must be some clues on the CVR? Is there any video out there of the accident?

Jimmy5616 16th May 2019 23:17

The rumour is there was some sort of flight control issue. The AAIB believe there was a flight control issue but are having a hard time replicating it.

VP-F__ 17th May 2019 00:41

Yes, apparently it made quite a bit of a mess made of the nose and subsequently to the tail. I believe she got back to Newquay recently on a lorry but will sadly never fly again.

TRENT210 1st Feb 2020 18:13

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ng__G-ATBJ.pdf

Two's in 1st Feb 2020 18:23


"I’m not doing full and free, we haven’t got time.”
Ouch......

Hot and Hi 1st Feb 2020 19:37


Both pilots highlighted that they did not intend to avoid full and free checks, but they felt that they were not achievable in the circumstances having previous experience on the S-61 after failed attempts using batteries.
However, records show that "full and free" was never really done. Post accident, the operator then issued spcific instructions to do "full and free". A later compliance review revealed:


This review identified that the control extremes were mostly but not always being reached; the majority of deviations being associated with a lack of full travel of aft cyclic. The operator considered that this may have been associated with seating positions and physical body shape
Can’t run away from the human factor ...

heli1 1st Feb 2020 21:48


Originally Posted by VP-F__ (Post 10473084)
Yes, apparently it made quite a bit of a mess made of the nose and subsequently to the tail. I believe she got back to Newquay recently on a lorry but will sadly never fly again.

if it's not too late The Helicopter Museum at Weston would really like to acquire this S-61N to restore for static display...can anyone help?

Ant T 1st Feb 2020 22:49

I have heard that the airframe may have been re-assessed as repairable and that the intention may be to rebuild it...
well, I think it was always repairable, but initially considered beyond economic repair...

rgnewboy 4th Feb 2020 18:23

Some more great reporting by the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-51375260

Apparently they haven't heard of the S61, as it was actually a "civilian Sea King aircraft".

Later in the report it says "The two crew members escaped unhurt, but the helicopter had to be scrapped."

So it is scrapped or not?



212man 4th Feb 2020 20:22


Originally Posted by rgnewboy (Post 10679465)
Some more great reporting by the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-51375260

Apparently they haven't heard of the S61, as it was actually a "civilian Sea King aircraft".

Later in the report it says "The two crew members escaped unhurt, but the helicopter had to be scrapped."

So it is scrapped or not?

have you read the AAIB report (where they would have taken that info)?

“Sikorsky S-61N Sea King, G-ATBJ”

Even the UK CAA FCL dept were adamant the 61 was a Sea King a few years ago, and considered it a single pilot type. Evidenced by them telling us our multi thousand hour 61 pilots needed to do the MCC course before getting an S92 rating!




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