Esso load drop Longford, Victoria
Originally Posted by rrekn
(Post 9930009)
Esso do now...
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
(Post 10015677)
Speaking of whom, I hear the Longford aerial bombing range has been active again :=
Facebook link won’t show, but a ladder on a short line vs the tail rotor looked ripe for an early release! |
I hear the Longford aerial bombing range has been active again |
It would have been an easy job for a 206L swinging a 50' line. Step-back 5x5, 3 crew and an AW139 just complicates it too much.
Just saying. |
I know we are drifting OT, but seriously :ugh:
WIN NEWS reporter "1/2 tonne of steel with a mind of its own...46 km/h winds forcing the pilot to make an emergency drop..will review exactly what caused the instability." Well, that will be an easy investigation. What on earth were they thinking belly hooking that load with a 10' line. Guys, if you wish to stay off the 6pm nightly news can I suggest using a 50' next time. That load was always going to go aerodynamic the way it was rigged. |
Your 206 wouldn't be picking up a half tonne of steel and carrying it any distance gulliBell. 139 would be a good carriage for the task.
Got a link, or story on what occurred? The previous incident was because the budget couldn't afford a bigger net for the company dictated method of packaging. Perhaps this time not a long enough strop. |
The news report was half a tonne, but I'm told it was really only 400 kg. I've slung enough 400kg loads up mountains in a 206L to know that a 206L can do it easy. And it didn't have to go far, only down to the monopods.
And as for the budget couldn't afford a bigger net on the previous aerial bombing practice, that is just dead wrong. Sure, the net was too small for the load, but there was a bigger net available. The guys that rigged the load didn't think to use it. That incident was an eye opener for all concerned because the empty net whipped up when the drums fell out and the pallet put a dent in the tail boom. http://www.gippslandtimes.com.au/sto...ddock/?cs=1198 Look how it was rigged, I'm just stunned nobody thought it would go aerodynamic rigged like that. |
Ok the guys that rigged it got it wrong but didn’t at least one of the pilots have a look at before the job or at the very least eyeball it when hooking it up.
Wouldn’t take to much of a look to see it wasn’t right surely. |
Originally Posted by fadecdegraded
(Post 10017537)
Ok the guys that rigged it got it wrong but didn’t at least one of the pilots have a look at before the job or at the very least eyeball it when hooking it up.
Wouldn’t take to much of a look to see it wasn’t right surely. |
Not very good quality, a screen grab of a FB image, but the load seemed to have a nasty swing prior to release!
http://www.eacott.com.au/gallery/d/8...sso+139+01.jpg http://www.eacott.com.au/gallery/d/8...sso+139+02.jpg http://www.eacott.com.au/gallery/d/8...sso+139+03.jpg |
Looks like its a flatpack ladder now ... :E:E:E
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On a positive note, it was a good decision to punch the load!!
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Originally Posted by finalchecksplease
(Post 10017648)
Looks like its a flatpack ladder now ... :E:E:E
http://www.eacott.com.au/gallery/d/8...sso+139+04.jpg |
Originally Posted by heliduck
(Post 10017651)
On a positive note, it was a good decision to punch the load!!
For those of us with a bit of experience in O&G know how this investigation will go...the standard 3 step process. 1. Blame it on an act of God; failing that 2. Blame it on a contractor; and failing that 3. Blame it on the blue-collar worker at the lowest point of the food chain who should have known better. They're already tried 1 with the attributed 46 km/h wind theory. That 'aint gonna pass the aero club sniff test. etc etc. |
Sure, the net was too small for the load, but there was a bigger net available Following the previous incident the rigging of loads was put into the hands of .......... riggers, who else do you expect. Of course, what they know about helos you could write on the point of a pin. Management decision, and written into their "how to do manual". The only person who could approve a sling load was delegated to non aviation management. What could go wrong? Post the FB link please John? |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10017812)
No there wasn't.
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Been down the road before of load prep with oil companies "only a rigger can do it" , despite going to AMTDU had to do a riggers course to tick the box, then promptly ignored all I did on the riggers course and prepared the sling loads properly.
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Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10017812)
Post the FB link please John? Add letters oo instead of numbers 00 in the appropriate places: https://www.faceb00k.com/concernedma...7277648832407/ Re the net size discussion, I would have looked at a 30-50ft line with a choker to the top of the ladder rather than a net? |
Oh yes there was Have a copy of the old 76 procedures they used, one of which states "slings are to be kept as short as possible". Thanks for the steer John. |
Welll....all I can say is 4 people inspected that load - and I was present - before it was carried and not one person expressed any concern the net was too small. If the pilot had any concern about the size of the net he didn't say so, and in any event if he thought the net was too small that load wouldn't have flown. The load flew well at 90 kts and the three of us on-board were all surprised when the drums fell out of the net. It wasn't until later we learned the pallet in the empty net had actually hit the aircraft. The net wasn't jettisoned, it stayed attached to the hook. There may not have been a bigger net at the heliport that day, but there were bigger nets available offshore, BBMT and elsewhere within the organization that might have been used. And plan B might have been to break it up into 2 loads of 2 drums but, as I say, nobody expressed any concern about the size of the net so a larger net wasn't requested and it was done as a single load. Anyway, moving on....
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