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SASless 20th Nov 2017 22:42

US EMS Helicopter Fatal Crash....Three Crew Killed
 
An Arkansa based EMS Helicopter belonging to Air Methods has crashed killing all three occupants aboard. Names were released but no useful information beyond the NTSB is investigating.

The Flight did not have a Patient onboard at the time of the accident.

http://www.thv11.com/news/local/3-de...unty/493227447

https://wtop.com/national/2017/11/3-...tern-arkansas/

tottigol 21st Nov 2017 13:10

[QUOTE=SASless;9963929]An Arkansa based EMS Helicopter belonging to Air Methods has crashed killing all three occupants aboard. Names were released but no useful information beyond the NTSB is investigating.

The Flight did not have a Patient onboard at the time of the accident.

3 dead in medical helicopter crash near DeWitt | THV11.com

https://wtop.com/national/2017/11/3-...tern-arkansas/[/
QUOTE]

Nobody cares anymore.

Lonewolf_50 21st Nov 2017 14:13


Originally Posted by tottigol (Post 9964536)
Nobody cares anymore.

What on earth makes you say that?

Dustin Ross, Director for Pafford Air One said in a statement, "We are all devastated and profoundly saddened by the tragic loss of these valued EMS colleagues and friends. We will continue to try and comfort the crew's families as well as everyone in our employ."
This crew was lost, and in time the "why" will be figured out. ( One of my classmates in college was from DeWitt, Arkansas. Lived right down the hall from me.)

helonorth 21st Nov 2017 14:25

Rumor floating around they struck geese.

Sir Korsky 21st Nov 2017 15:03


Originally Posted by tottigol (Post 9964536)

Nobody cares anymore.

The harsh truth as far as the general public see - just another EMS crash. More coffee??

Very sad.

LRP 21st Nov 2017 16:28


Originally Posted by helonorth (Post 9964614)
Rumor floating around they struck geese.

I heard the same thing

Helitech2316 21st Nov 2017 16:54

One of the crew is from my area. The EMS community around here is devastated by the loss. Prayers for all those involved.

tottigol 21st Nov 2017 16:57

Do geese fly at night?

tottigol 21st Nov 2017 16:58

Apparently yes.

ShyTorque 21st Nov 2017 17:45

Geese and other large birds definitely fly at night. About twenty years ago my S76 was hit by a bird with a wingspan of around a metre. We knew that because of the marks from its wings, which wrapped around the upper cowling. It briefly blocked out my view of the cultural lighting behind it. It was after midnight during a casevac flight. Thankfully it hit just above the windscreen and did no real damage but the blood and guts took a lot of cleaning off. If it had hit the windscreen or the pitch control rods I might not be here writing this.

pba_target 21st Nov 2017 18:28

I hit a mid-sized bird (large duck/small goose) on goggles, hit the other windscreen at an angle and ended up with some bits stuck to the left hand side window and wiper. Scared the crap out of both of us because neither of us saw it coming until about half a second before we hit it - goggles might let you see, but remember that sight would classify you legally blind!

In the American case, this sounds like another EMS tragedy. Thoughts with your community folks.

ShyTorque 21st Nov 2017 19:36

Geese also brought down a Blackhawk in Norfolk (UK) only a few years ago.

I never knew they flew on goggles, though....

SASless 21st Nov 2017 20:19

Red Tailed Hawk brought down an S-76 in Louisiana a while back...shoved the throttle quadrant back after hitting the top edge of the Windscreen Frame...caused a loss of engine power.

MightyGem 21st Nov 2017 20:33


Do geese fly at night?
In my previous life, we were in the hover, at around 1000ft, dong a search with the FLIR camera, when a flock of geese flew under us. :eek:

Gordy 21st Nov 2017 21:22

Took a bird into the wire strike kit on a 407 at night a few years back:

https://i.imgur.com/0nYGe8S.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bGGbo9X.jpg

Carbon Bootprint 22nd Nov 2017 14:28


Red Tailed Hawk brought down an S-76 in Louisiana a while back...shoved the throttle quadrant back after hitting the top edge of the Windscreen Frame...caused a loss of engine power.
If it's the one I'm thinking of that went down in the swamp in Terrebone Parish, it killed the crew and six pax, though one survived. However, that incident occurred in the afternoon rather than at night. If I'm not mistaken, there was some suspicion of an aftermarket acrylic windscreen as a contributing factor.

HeliHenri 22nd Nov 2017 15:54

.
Birds Strike : https://www.verticalmag.com/features/strikeavoidance/
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aerolearner 22nd Nov 2017 20:58


Originally Posted by Carbon Bootprint (Post 9965797)
If it's the one I'm thinking of that went down in the swamp in Terrebone Parish, it killed the crew and six pax, though one survived. However, that incident occurred in the afternoon rather than at night. If I'm not mistaken, there was some suspicion of an aftermarket acrylic windscreen as a contributing factor.

This accident is covered in the very first module of the new Rotorcraft section of the FAA Lessons Learned library.
Lessons Learned
The module discusses the impact of the windscreen modification and also includes some additional information about the threat of birdstrikes to helicopters.

Carbon Bootprint 23rd Nov 2017 03:44

Aerolearner, thanks for that link. It appears to be an interesting and very valuable resource for those who wish to learn from previous incidents. :ok:

etudiant 23rd Nov 2017 14:54

Surprised that people are unaware that birds migrate mostly at night. They use the day to feed. The nexrad radar in the US gives a ringside seat. One can watch the masses of birds take off at dusk and gradually settle in near dawn. UW-Madison Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences


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