Is everyone in EASAland fitting 8.33 radios and disabling their 25Khz kit??
 

It's law in the EASA world to have 8.33 compliant kit from 01/01/18 (excluding the feds and mil (of course)).

Lots of people I speak to don't seem to be bothering. Are you?

Only in airspace that requires the use of radio...

Yep. Another tax on aviation for no discernible benefit. The 20% contribution from European funds is pathetic but better than nothing I suppose.

Mandatory if your machine is sued commercially - 2 sets for AOC work:ugh:

well somewhat lucky the Garmin GNS 430 was a simple reprogram. To replace the King KY196A with a 196 b is £ 6500 !!!!!!! While to replace a King KX165 Nav comm is only £ 4500 where oh where do they get those figures from. Not a tax I thought highway robbery had been outlawed 2 centuries ago

No discernible benefit??? It liberates three times the number of channels in an already congested spectrum - something that's both a benefit and discernible, surely?

The different prices for equipment mods will reflect the different components that need changing - with some it's just uploadable software, with others it may need an eprom change, with yet others it may need some glue logic chips changing and with some it may even need changes to the RF boards to cope with the tighter bandwidth limits. And then there's the detail that some may need changed displays and switchgear.

And then there's the detail that the cost per unit will also depend on how many of the upgrades they will sell and so how much the basic engineering/qualification/tooling costs can be divided amongst those individual sales. With the newer units this could simply be the number of units installed as people will tend to bite the bullet and spend the money on new kit. But if it's older kit then it's quite likely that people will choose to replace it with something new and blingy rather than upgrade it, so the number of upgrade sales will be less predictable.

The fact that the upgrade costs are actually different tends to suggest they are representative of the actual costs rather than being random numbers...

PDR

PDR

It has already been proved we don't need 8.33 as there are enough frequencies to go round on 25 spacing.
As for the equipment the manufacturers must be laughing, as they are able to take the piss as usual:ugh:

Documentation online seems to imply that the 8.33 frequencies will be substantially cheaper for ground stations. Airfields looking to save money will move to these thus ensuring enforced compliance (even if it is not done via maintainers, ARC renewal etc).

I'd expect the prices will then slide back up again.....

Can you point me to this remarkable piece of objective evidence?

PDR

There is no way the pricing is justifiable with the cost of components etc.
If priced in sensibly they would sell a larger volume rather than try to mod old kit.
I think it was Motorola that said, Once a product was worked on the MTBF went down by a significant factor.
But keep thinking just because it's aircraft it costs & it is quality equipment :sad:
Not quite comparable but marine equipment is peanuts in comparison.
Land mobile equipment also.

AOPA hasa worked out a very good plan. 8.33 is not necessary.
Eurocontrol liked it very much but France, the UK and Germany voted against a European frequency plan.

They argued that aviation frequencies are a matter of national sovereignty.

So you are sayiung that in your view design development, qualification, production tooling etc etc should all be done free of charge?

Perhaps in Venezualla or RoK, but not in any rational country.

PDR

Again, evidence or it didn't happen!

PDR

Google broken? I won't spoon feed you.

You made the assertion - it's up to you to show there was some substance to it. That's the way it works.

PDR

PDR1
Have you got evidence 8.33 is actually needed?
Sounds like a load of EURO nonsense to me...

Radio spectrum is needed by everyone. Having three-times the channel density means that some of the spectrum currently hogged by aviation dinosaurs can be re-allocated to others who need it.

PDR

Lucky
 

Lucky me this time. Garmin 430 and G530 only needs to be reprogrammed, the G1000 already has it and I just sold the oldest aircraft of the fleet with the old Bendix/King installed👍

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The Garmin 430 & 530 can be configured to and from 8.33 by the user; it can be done in flight if required.

I was fitting 8.33 radios back in 2000..