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TunaSandwich 20th Oct 2017 12:20

AW139 ATO
 
Hi there
Does anybody know of an ATO which can provide ICAO(FAA) IR to EASA IR conversion on the AW139 (aside from Leonardo in Italy)?
Thank you

Camp Freddie 20th Oct 2017 12:44

I think Karen SA do as well

TunaSandwich 24th Oct 2017 12:40

Thanks!
Any others?

Camp Freddie 24th Oct 2017 13:07

Copter safety in Helsinki

Mustapha Cuppa 24th Oct 2017 17:06

TunaSandwich

Are you enquiring about the initial issue of an EASA IR(H)?

TunaSandwich 25th Oct 2017 12:47


Originally Posted by Camp Freddie (Post 9935134)
Copter safety in Helsinki

Hi Camp Freddie, Copter Safety do not offer this service.

TunaSandwich 25th Oct 2017 12:48


Originally Posted by Mustapha Cuppa (Post 9935384)
TunaSandwich

Are you enquiring about the initial issue of an EASA IR(H)?


That is correct, ICAO Conversion..

Mustapha Cuppa 25th Oct 2017 18:03

I am not aware of an ATO that offers an initial IR(H) course on the AW139. Usually, an IR is conducted on a "cheap" ME helicopter such as AS355 or A(W)109

As you probably are aware, you will need to attend an ATO that is approved for the initial IR rather than one that merely adds existing IR privileges to a new type.

Milo C 25th Oct 2017 21:07

Leonardo Helicopters delivers initial IR(H) on the 139 FFS.

Mustapha Cuppa 26th Oct 2017 07:19

Thanks, Milo C.


I stand corrected.

Camp Freddie 26th Oct 2017 10:12


Leonardo Helicopters delivers initial IR(H) on the 139 FFS.
I wonder how the cost of this compares to the traditional 355/109 route, I am guessing its pricey

TunaSandwich 27th Oct 2017 19:24


Originally Posted by alphanumeric (Post 9938133)
Leonardo quoted me £50,000 to add the 139 rating and ir to my licence. And i am already twin IR rated.

Plus its six weeks hotel you have to pay for too.

Ie far more expensive than the traditional 109/355 route for low timers.


Just to clarify, I already have the AW139 EASA Type, just need the IR ICAO conversion...

tottigol 28th Oct 2017 01:10


Originally Posted by alphanumeric (Post 9938133)
Leonardo quoted me £50,000 to add the 139 rating and ir to my licence. And i am already twin IR rated.

Plus its six weeks hotel you have to pay for too.

Ie far more expensive than the traditional 109/355 route for low timers.

Six weeks?
for a type rating that needs four?

EESDL 28th Oct 2017 02:02

He told his missus 6

Milo C 29th Oct 2017 21:47


Originally Posted by TunaSandwich (Post 9938591)
Just to clarify, I already have the AW139 EASA Type, just need the IR ICAO conversion...

In that case I think you need just a Proficiency Check

matteolo 30th Oct 2017 07:50

Contact karen-SA, they provide all type of AW139 TR and add-on, and they are also an ATO for initial issue or conversion of IR.
With them you can also fly on the same FFS that leonardo use in Italy.

TunaSandwich 16th Nov 2017 14:07


Originally Posted by Milo C (Post 9940678)
In that case I think you need just a Proficiency Check

Hi Milo C
Do you have a reference for that? my EASA examiner said that as I already had the EASA CPL, he could only give me the VFR ATP/Type Checkride based on my FAA ATPL, CAA are no longer answering my questions on the subject:*
Thanks
TS

Hot_LZ 16th Nov 2017 16:20

TunaSandwich,

Can you confirm a few things. You are an FAA ATP with 139 experience? You also hold EASA CPL with an AW139 TR but only VFR privileges? You would like to get an EASA IR and add IF privileges to the 139 TR?

LZ

TunaSandwich 17th Nov 2017 00:18

Hi LZ
Mostly correct except that I now have an EASA ATPL with AW139 Type but no IR
TS

Hot_LZ 17th Nov 2017 07:39

How can you have an ATPL without the IR? I'm assuming you have completed all the ATPL exams and have used the IF experience required from operating elsewhere?

I believe you will find it difficult and expensive to complete an EASA IR on the 139. It's perhaps worth researching a course on a more common IR type like a 109/135/355 and timing it before your 139 PC where you can then get the IR add type?

LZ


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