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Veveritza 9th Jul 2017 09:08

R66 Limitations Question
 
Can anyone please advice me on the limitations of the R66 Turbine helicopter on operating at high altitudes? I would like to know the dangers when operating at over 10 000 feet landing and picking up on average 3 pax.

What is the opinion of the experienced pilots on here operating a R66 at 10 000 feet plus altitudes for mountain rescues etc.

In my opinion and experience I am sure the engine has enough power but the tail rotor loosing efficiency is my concern?....please advice...

Gray 14 9th Jul 2017 12:16

Check the performance section of the aircraft flight manual.

FSXPilot 9th Jul 2017 13:48

https://robinsonheli.com/r66-pilots-handbook/

helicopter-redeye 9th Jul 2017 15:33

I wouldn't have had the R66 high on the list of candidates

for mountain rescues

Veveritza 9th Jul 2017 15:46


Originally Posted by Gray 14 (Post 9825332)
Check the performance section of the aircraft flight manual.

Thank you...that was first on my list....now I want practical opinions and not graphs in the POH...

Veveritza 9th Jul 2017 15:47


Originally Posted by helicopter-redeye (Post 9825463)
I wouldn't have had the R66 high on the list of candidates

Thank you I fully agree with you....I just need a bit more "pro" feedback to change the minds of the "cowboys" actually doing it...

Veveritza 9th Jul 2017 15:51


Originally Posted by FSXPilot (Post 9825394)

Thank you....I have the POH...I know of a Eurocopter crash that was executed "excatly" as the POH subcribes it and they crashed! I need hands on opinions here please...not referring to graphs in a POH....the POH is just a guideline and to be quite honest Robinson says it can hover like OGE at 10 000 feet....it can not....it falls to the ground over 8000 feet on a OGE hover....so I am not very keen on figures when flying helicopters...

[email protected] 12th Jul 2017 11:33

If you are within your torque and MGT limits - and remember the graph is for 5 minute power only, not continuous - then if it won't hover OGE at altitude you should probably ask Robinson why not.

nigelh 12th Jul 2017 11:37

You could use it then use a proper helicopter to rescue both lots ....

spbh 17th Jul 2017 14:23

If you look at the limitations of any Robinson they've capped performance at 14,000. The 66 is a couple hundred pounds lighter with a turbine engine so naturally it will outperform a 44.

The performance charts in the POH are heavily underrated. If it doesn't hover OGE at 8,000 you should check your aircraft or pilot. We've flown them up to 14,000 with no problems. Keep ETL until you're IGE and you're well within limits. Tail rotor authority is also much better than expected.

Edwardwilson 17th Jul 2017 19:20


Originally Posted by Veveritza (Post 9825479)
Thank you....I have the POH...I know of a Eurocopter crash that was executed "excatly" as the POH subcribes it and they crashed! I need hands on opinions here please...not referring to graphs in a POH....the POH is just a guideline and to be quite honest Robinson says it can hover like OGE at 10 000 feet....it can not....it falls to the ground over 8000 feet on a OGE hover....so I am not very keen on figures when flying helicopters...

How exactly does the POH describe the proper way to crash a helicopter?

herman the crab 18th Jul 2017 04:38


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 9828355)
If you are within your torque and MGT limits - and remember the graph is for 5 minute power only, not continuous - then if it won't hover OGE at altitude you should probably ask Robinson why not.

And probably the FAA...

HTC

Twist & Shout 18th Jul 2017 06:45


Originally Posted by Veveritza (Post 9825479)
Thank you....I have the POH...I know of a Eurocopter crash that was executed "excatly" as the POH subcribes it and they crashed! I need hands on opinions here please...not referring to graphs in a POH....the POH is just a guideline and to be quite honest Robinson says it can hover like OGE at 10 000 feet....it can not....it falls to the ground over 8000 feet on a OGE hover....so I am not very keen on figures when flying helicopters...

It "falls to the ground over 8000 feet on an OGE hover"

Does it:
Over pitch (lose RRPM - in case your lack of keenness on "figures" extends to technical terms.)?
Hit the collective up stop?
Become affected by an evil spirit?
Something else?


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