Emergency Helicopter crash in Italy
 

Not many detail available yet. The news talk about bad weather, fog in the area, 6 people on board, possible an ELT signaland the sound of an explosion
Emergency helicopter crashes near avalanche zone - The Local

Breaking News Central Italy - An emergency helicopter has fallen: still no break to the misfortune

tbc https://www.planespotters.net/Aviati...php?reg=EC-KJT tbc

RIP :-(

I delivered it to Spain from italy in 2007...
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Sad news.


My condolences and thoughts are with the families of those lost helping others.

Doesnt look good :(



skadi

Rest in Peace

RIP
sad, very sad news :(

Sounds like bad weather was the cause, but articles also mention a possible wire strike?


Emergency helicopter crashes near L'Aquila killing all six on board, including two Hotel Rigopiano rescuers


My prayers are with the crew, their families and colleagues.

If you look at the wreckage path in the video this one has written CFIT all over it. After initial impact the wreckage continued for quite a distance uphill a steep slope. Must have been quite high horizontal and low to no vertical energy impact.
Doesn't really look like wire strike.

I wonder why the TR blades look more or less undamaged.

Certainly looks like the ground came up rather than the aircraft went down.

I'm pretty sure the weather was blameless....

evil 7, probably because they didn't hit anything. Tailboom came to rest upright, with (compared to the cabin) very little damage.

And from those grainy photo's, I wouldn't be betting that there is no damage on them, perhaps a Damper pulled out, or cracks in the skin. Who knows.

Most likely this helicopter droped vertically with almost 0 horizontal speed.
The wreackage is concentrated in one spot, the Gearbox and blades have almost not displaced from their original possition and the traces you see on the snow going downhill are produced by the rescue team coming from the road just downhill and not by the helicopter. If the helicopter would have impacted folowwing that trace, the fuselage would be oriented in the other direction and the nose would be real buried on the slope.
The tail boom is aligned with the fuselage and fractures are observed to be apparently related to vertical impact forces that sheared the tailbom partially
The wreakage is consistent with a high vertical speed almost 0 horizontal speed impact.
The thing that calls my attention is that the blades appear to have been severelz destroyed and on the picture I fail to see most of them or fragments of them so makes me think about the possibility the rotor may have impacted the mountain wall previously. However this is just an hypotesis based on the poor resolution pictures available.

FURIA, you have been doing SAR for awhile?
 

Why did the helo 'drop' vertically (with decent rpm given state of MR blades)

You really think so soon after the crash that those little specks of the rescue team made all that debris mess down slope?

Have you attended many aircraft accidents (god forbid) and do you actually fly or have flown a 139?

Henra in an above post is on the mark with his call.

A tragedy in awful circumstances, that shouldn't happen in such a capable helicopter when used to its full potential.

I have flown that very helicopter EC-KJT in Spain years ago, been doing SAR in 139 for a decade and I have 2 University Courses in Aircraft Accident Investigation.
All I mention here is pure speculation based on the pictures available and does not pretend to be a technical analysis, however some relevant facts appear evident without too much analysis.
It seem obvious to me that the helicopter was not flying uphill. Impact marks and fuselage orientation show different.
Debris print on ground suggests a high vertical impact with not much horizontal speed. The debris on the slope is the path used by rescueres to access the crash site compounded by helicopter fluids and some parts that may have drift down the slope by gravity.
I do say this here because this is a rummors forum and I am in no way producing a "accident technical report" of this. I have only seen one picture of the crash and the avilable video. So take it with a pintch of salt
Withouth more data this is the fast initial idea that comes to my mind. So take it as it is, pure speculation.
if you have more solid data to sustain a CFIT with horizontal speed, I am all ears.

I would say it looks exactly like CFIT, and the smear on the snow came from the impact. Here's one that hit the ground at 125 kts - look familiar?

http://news.images.itv.com/image/fil...update_img.jpg
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/m...178543728b.jpg

Well that changes my perspective on accident reports.

I will look out for the ones with Furias name at the bottom.

Then look for a large sack of salt.

Just goes to show that there is a huge difference between "education" and "experience". Have you ever been to an aircraft accident?

Come back here when you have scraped about 20 or so off the hill and put them on a trailer.

Otherwise just more meaningless drivel and noise.

Just sayin'