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Flying Bull 8th Oct 2016 20:16

Guardis civil helicopter incident
 
Hello,

a pilot "f..... up" taking of,
turning the Bo105 around his position - instead around the tailrotor - or first moving sideways to clear the space for the tailrotor.
Luckily, after tailrotorcontact, he reacted fine and didn´t try to fly away...
The tailwind didn´t help either I think.

Un helicóptero de Guardia Civil accidentado en una exhibición en Las Palmas. eldia.es.

SilsoeSid 9th Oct 2016 11:07


... he reacted fine and didn´t try to fly away...
Best post incident comment I've read in a while :hmm:

Vertical Freedom 10th Oct 2016 06:31

:= incredible display of incompetence; zero situational awareness by the Pilot, hopeless pick-up, amazingly he didn't fly away after botching up the lift-off from a huge H :ugh:

Max Contingency 10th Oct 2016 09:27

We all make mistakes but where do you start with that one? its off the scale. If you pick up a helicopter like that then you are destined for a dynamic rollover incident at some point in your career and there are just too many ways to have avoided that tail strike to list them all!

Spanish Waltzer 10th Oct 2016 10:03

Was that really a qualified professional helicopter pilot at the controls?

212man 10th Oct 2016 10:09

When they said "it's bring your kid to work day", they should have mentioned that did not include letting them take the controls!

hihover 10th Oct 2016 15:06

You guys are being very harsh.

It might well be a local community programme to allow those living in the Blind Institute next door to experience helicopter flight. Or the helmet may have slipped on take-off, or she may simply have been injecting some realism into a tail rotor failure demo.
:eek:

TeeS 10th Oct 2016 15:10

You have to accept it is a good advert for the yellow bum line 212man!

TeeS

212man 10th Oct 2016 16:28

Anther interesting view here:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/UYpZ2VA0c4I



It somewhat contradicts the official statement:

Sources of the Civil Guard have stressed that the incident occurred during a static display and on the ground to mark the patron of the body was on land that did not endanger the audience, who was away because the area was bounded and closed with a fence with chains.
I see they use the same training academy as the Greek Air Force!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/lv7T1OXWMwo



Can't work out how to use the Youtube imbed button!

Bell_ringer 10th Oct 2016 17:24

On that last YT video did anyone catch the coning angle? :mad:

Geoffersincornwall 10th Oct 2016 19:34

I've said it before and I'll say it yet one more time. More than 50% of the pilots I see in the course of my job cannot be described as competent. Maybe they have the potential to be competent but they would need a lot more 'input' to realise it. When will we wake up and understand that 'attending' a course is not the same as 'passing' a course. We are not served well by the way we are doing things in the world of licensing pilots.

It's not just me, the Ryanair HoT said at a recent conference that 50% of those applicants for flight deck jobs FAILED their selection process.

Come on guys - we can do better than this.

G.

Evil Twin 11th Oct 2016 03:22

Showboating in a confined area with public very close by :sad::sad:

Max Contingency 11th Oct 2016 08:09

We have all been guilty of showboating before. Words of advice I was given as a young pilot: If your impromptu audience are general public then a Low and Slow fly past (beach bimble) is more impressive than a high energy manoeuvre and 10 times safer. The public get a good view and experience the noise, vibration and whirring rotors and you get more time to wave at the cute ones.

gedney 11th Oct 2016 11:41

Bell_ringer,

Very drole! ��

ShyTorque 11th Oct 2016 12:06

It never fails to surprise how readily some pilots stupidly put themselves outside of their personal limits, or those of their helicopter. Most of these "wing-over" crashes are totally avoidable.

The inexperienced and foolish see the wing-over as an easy manoeuvre, but they are very easy to get very badly wrong.

jayteeto 11th Oct 2016 19:28

Max, you are Soooooooooo correct in that statement. At airshows, the helicopter explores the full flight envelope, the crowd are mildly impressed. A Tornado takes off on reheat; guess which video goes on YouTube?
I ALWAYS fly as smooth as possible when doing famil flights, whilst watching other pilots scaring pax fartless, all the time thinking they are impressing them.
Just fly normally in all situations, the public don't care how good you are.......

Ascend Charlie 12th Oct 2016 00:27

After dinging the tail rotor, the video runs for quite a while but the pilot still hasn't pulled the throttles back to idle.

megan 12th Oct 2016 02:15


On that last YT video did anyone catch the coning angle?
Hingeless rotor, so no coning. Definite case of bad blade stall though I think. :D Where's AnFI with his encyclopaedic knowledge when you need him?

ShyTorque 12th Oct 2016 07:58

Surely, the B105 in the OP suffered LTE.

(After it departed the airframe).

SilsoeSid 12th Oct 2016 15:13

More recent Spanish Civil Guard 105 action;

Spanish mountaineers saved by a pilot who flies so close to a cliff they can step on


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