Polish AVIATION VALLEY & PZL & WSK
AVIATION VALLEY: Please have a look in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxZNtjkPpSE)
Państwowe Zakłady Lotnicze (= [former] State owned Aviation Works (Plural; meaning a convolute of 20+ works) have been the main Polish aerospace manufacturer of the interwar period, with head quarters based in Warsaw and subsidiaries widely spread over Poland, functioning in 1928-1939. The abbreviation which thereafter - from late 1950s - used as on aircraft brand and as a part of names of Several Polish state-owned aerospace manufacturers referring to traditions of the PZL, belonging to the Zjednoczenie Przemysłu Lotniczego i Silnikowego PZL - PZL Aircraft and Engine Industry Union. After the fall of communism in Poland in 1989, those manufacturers became separate plants, still sharing the PZL name, but are the following completely independant companies transfered into private ownership by Polish Industrial Development Agency - IDA JSC - Agencja Rozwoju Przemysłu - ARP (By Polish state owned trust agency for privatizing):
About 15 other smaller PZL-works, mainly former pure military-oriented maintenance and repair shops or plants became companies of the state owned PGZ-Holding (formerly BUMAR) and are for investors due to their sizes and partly poor infrastructure relatively uninteresting. The custard pies are already privatized and are in strong hands. I would be pleased if there is an echo to this new thread and please reply frankly which topics / questions might be worth a discussion. Also further facts to AVIATION VALLEY and PZL are always welcome. Thank you, AW009 |
Have just found in my Email the following link Sikorsky Accepts Prototype Turkish Utility Helicopter From PZL Mielec | Aero-News Network having been send by a good friend (New Flight Test Facility Operational as First S-70i Black Hawk Helicopter Deliveries Approach).
Leszek had been till 2010 test pilot of PZL Swidnik SA and you also will recognize him in the ‘autorotion videos’ (B412 video). BTW: German Bundeswehr (WTD 61 at Manching) needs within 2018 also a new test bed, but for other purpose (see Page 3 – Page 5 in https://www.esg.de/fileadmin/spektru...ektrum06-1.pdf) It should become a Sikorsky H60 or a S70i with ‘high gear’ like FireHawk, because >90 cm of ground clearance are needed for the new system. |
What can i say?
First of all, a company that changes its name every 12 months is nothing i can trust... Second: PZL seem to be a nice eastern-block aircraft, but its way too expensive......for the price of one PZL, you can buy a Bell 412 EPI........why bother with a company that has close to no support and a 16 months delivery time when you can work with Bell, who sort you out within minutes after you called? |
Nice...
Huey, can you provide some brand new IFR 412EP for $6 M per unit ;) |
After reading the first post of this thread, imho, it contains to many errors.
Arrakis |
@Arakis
After reading the first post of this thread, imho, it contains to many errors. So why do you not point out the concrete errors? Otherwise your post will be unsubstantiated. e.g. The post of hueyracer is very substantiated and perhaps I know of this sad story a little bit longer than you do. |
@huey: We know this behaviour of PZL S very well since AW became in charge 2010. We had to start at ADAM & EVE with them, meaning at a point we have reached already in 2005 with PZL. Same procedure with Finmeccanica und now again with LEONARDO. You must have patience like a donkey. But their products are goddamned good. Pricing is like a bazaar, you need at minimum three round of negotiations.
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I don't think we have ever met, so ad personam comments would be, hm, unsubstantiated.
Now, ad rem. Aviation Valley is a cluster of over 100 entities, mostly companies, including PGZ through its subsidiary. PZLs or WSK PZLs were companies in different parts of the country. One should not mix those two things as you did. 5 companies bearing "PZL" name are today part of the cluster. 2 of them are on your list. 2 from the list were never part of the cluster. Rzeszów is no longer a "PZL" but a P&W. About 15 other smaller PZL-works, mainly former pure military-oriented maintenance and repair shops or plants became companies of the state owned PGZ-Holding (formerly BUMAR) and are for investors due to their sizes and partly poor infrastructure relatively uninteresting. Because of some lessons learned the hard way - some of OEMs are very good teachers - I don't think there is anymore question of selling them. Regarding investments, given the tenders underway or coming soon and taking into account offset requirements, there will be a lot. If one belives the answer given a few weeks ago by Polish MoD to MPs questions, a contract for 50 H225M was signed a few months ago, but it will come into force only after finishing offset negotiations. Caracal was competing against S-70i and AW149. Anyway, I still have some regrets that AW didn't make an offer based on NH90. Things would be more interesting. Arrakis |
@Arrakis:
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or is an "home made mix" of AH64D and T129 the better solution As I see no further sense or value in this thread, over and out. Arrakis |
@arrakis: goofy your answer ....
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