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-   -   EC135 missing in NSW (https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/570350-ec135-missing-nsw.html)

gulliBell 25th Apr 2018 09:00
Originally Posted by Cloudee (Post 10129554)
Two and a half years to publish this? Take away the report padding and you’ve basically got what was revealed in the first couple of days in this thread. How many man hours went into this, at what cost? Sure, they have to rule out mechanical issues, but once they did, it shouldn’t have taken this long.
Probably took so long due higher priority other tasks when all was pretty much known early on. Absolutely nothing to learn from this prang that hasn't been reported many times before, so not surprised the report took as long as it did.

Dick Smith 26th Apr 2018 14:15
I find it strange that the pilot did not leave any form of flight note before departing.

i wonder why.

flopter 26th Apr 2018 16:24
Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 10130777)
I find it strange that the pilot did not leave any form of flight note before departing.

i wonder why.
Maybe it needs Common sense to do so.. and his flight ops didn't require it? ..more the pity.

Ascend Charlie 26th Apr 2018 21:42
Richard had plenty of common sense, and being a 1-man private outfit, he didn't have a FltOps centre.

Maybe if he didn't have other pax on board, he and his wife may have spent the night in the chopper, something they had done many times before - that machine was able to be kitted out as the best campervan you have ever seen. Sadly for all, he didn't.

(Dick, he was one of your mates and almost a neighbour - a big loss.)

Desert Flower 26th Apr 2018 22:30
Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 10131182)
that machine was able to be kitted out as the best campervan you have ever seen.
You've heard the old saying "it has everything but the kitchen sink"? Well that "campervan" did have the kitchen sink - even though it was only a plastic washbowl! I remember Carolyn laughingly showing it to me one day.

DF.

Squawk7700 8th May 2018 04:35
Originally Posted by Cloudee (Post 10129554)
Two and a half years to publish this? Take away the report padding and you’ve basically got what was revealed in the first couple of days in this thread. How many man hours went into this, at what cost? Sure, they have to rule out mechanical issues, but once they did, it shouldn’t have taken this long.
Because it is a very advanced and complex helicopter fitted with autopilot and other goodies. If they rushed out the report the armchair experts would be commenting along the lines of "it had auto-pilot, why didn't he just press go-to and sit back and relax." They need to dot their i's and cross their t's with these complex types. The same thing happened with the ABC chopper out of Maree that likely went in due to night proficiency.

Squawk7700 8th May 2018 04:38
Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 10130777)
I find it strange that the pilot did not leave any form of flight note before departing.

i wonder why.
I can honestly say that I don't know many people that do tell someone where they are going. Partnered pilots if they leave their other half at home tend to tell them where they are going but single guys generally don't tell anyone. Those that do tell their partners generally don't tell them the route either and that could end up varying significantly on the day.

Desert Flower 8th May 2018 05:00
Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 10140861)
The same thing happened with the ABC chopper out of Maree that likely went in due to night proficiency.
Shouldn't that read due to LACK of night proficiency? And & don't think that helicopter would have been fitted with much fancy stuff.

DF.

Desert Flower 8th May 2018 05:07
Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 10130777)
I find it strange that the pilot did not leave any form of flight note before departing.

i wonder why.
In all the years I knew Richard he never left a flight note with me before he departed for his next destination. Probably because he didn't know where his next destination was going to be. He would just fly along, & if he saw somewhere he liked the look of he would land. Granted, this case was different.

DF.

Squawk7700 8th May 2018 23:24
The ABC chopper was a can of worms due to it being a twin and a heli type that if I'm not mistaken had never been crashed before here in this country.

gulliBell 9th May 2018 00:32
Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 10141683)
The ABC chopper was a can of worms due to it being a twin and a heli type that if I'm not mistaken had never been crashed before here in this country.


Close, but no cigar. West Coast Helicopters needlessly crashed a twin Squirrel in Perth many years ago (operated for WA Police). From memory, landing down wind at a school oval and running out of puff and bouncing it at the bottom. Caught fire. Made for a good photo on the front page of the morning news.

John Eacott 9th May 2018 00:48
NSW Police didn't fare too well when theirs was goffered by a wave, either.

Ascend Charlie 9th May 2018 03:43
goffered by a wave,
Now there's a navy term you don't hear much these days! mackas, goffers, kip, pit, bin, the list goes on....

Squawk7700 9th May 2018 04:07
Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10141711)
Close, but no cigar. West Coast Helicopters needlessly crashed a twin Squirrel in Perth many years ago (operated for WA Police). From memory, landing down wind at a school oval and running out of puff and bouncing it at the bottom. Caught fire. Made for a good photo on the front page of the morning news.
I'll re-phrase.

The first to spear in, in less than obvious circumstances.

John Eacott 9th May 2018 04:51
Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 10141774)
Now there's a navy term you don't hear much these days! mackas, goffers, kip, pit, bin, the list goes on....
Gulpers, sippers, cab, Crab, ACRB, HNs: time for another thread?

[email protected] 9th May 2018 09:40
Just work with ex-RN SAR rearcrew and you have more than enough Jackspeak to go round��

Thomas coupling 10th May 2018 10:22
Morning men, starboard 10......
This is a true story:
Naval colleague of mine is a navigator on board one of the Type 45 Destroyers, currently. He was on the bridge when the Captain turned to a brand new 'scroat' and asked him the time. This baby sailor fresh from training responded without a second thought and said:
"4pm Sir".
The Captain looked at him sideways and said: "That's not very nautical able seaman smith".
Upon which (and with the same enthusiasm and rapid response) the scroat said: "4pm me hearty!"
The bridge erupted with laughter....................


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