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GRIFO1978 2nd Jul 2014 10:48

HOVERING DURING HOIST OPERATION
 
I would like to know what type of tecnique you are used to operate for manteining a perfect hover during hoist operation.
Normally I am used to watch in front of me and sideways (right) of about 45 degrees.

paco 2nd Jul 2014 11:05

I use a point on the horizon

Phil

tottigol 2nd Jul 2014 11:12

Day or night, Grifo?

GRIFO1978 2nd Jul 2014 11:14

Is it possible for you to have a good hover using only one point?

GRIFO1978 2nd Jul 2014 11:14

Daily operations

stilllearning 2nd Jul 2014 11:54

off shore or mountain rescue ??

GRIFO1978 2nd Jul 2014 12:30

Mountain or generic field operations

Thomas coupling 2nd Jul 2014 12:40

Single or double engine :E

Lonewolf_50 2nd Jul 2014 13:04

TC is being a naughty boy today. := :}

Suggestion: two reference points: one lateral, one in front.

Boudreaux Bob 2nd Jul 2014 13:19

"One" reference looking straight down as in long lining.:E

GRIFO1978 2nd Jul 2014 14:12

Three engines or more:cool:

vaibronco 2nd Jul 2014 14:58

a point in the horizon? :eek:

stilllearning 2nd Jul 2014 15:50

This is my 14 year experience in mountain rescue: if you have a good reference near the cockpit point of view you don't need more than that. In case you are way above any reference around you, best thing is to have a good situational awareness changing references and not staring at the same stone, branch, tree, ....all the time. Trust your hoist man in case you are not sure if you are doing a good hover, but you have to find out what best fits you to do the job ...enjoy it while you can !!!

maeroda 2nd Jul 2014 18:49

winching
 
my two cents,
assuming no vertical reference can be made,

Mountain SAR winching: I used 2 points while flying 412's and 139's winching people from cliff faces, one @ the rotor tip path intersection, one @2 o'clock down between the instrument panel and the door post. Eventually if winching above obstacles I normally pick up two references points down near the door post.
Sea SAR winching: flying the 139 my eyes go continuously through a 3 points scanning, one @ the white sea spray, one @ the vessel superstructure that moves up and down in relation the the fixed horizon, one @ the radalt.

Cheers

GRIFO1978 3rd Jul 2014 18:44

Today I have performed an hoist training session in a mountain enviroment. I think to have understood what problem I had two days ago:the reference point(s). This morning, while I was manteining my helicopter in hovering condition, I have.found two rocks. I have kept these two rocks between the clock and the map tab (412). The helicopter was fixed in the rescue point!great!!!

maeroda 3rd Jul 2014 20:19

How high was the training done?

GRIFO1978 4th Jul 2014 06:38


Originally Posted by maeroda:8548367
How high was the training done?

50/75 feet about at 6000 feet on qnh

maeroda 4th Jul 2014 10:23

that's not much high indeed....but go on kid...keep practicing!!:ok:

(target to proficiency is 73 meters winch cable @ 12.000 ft MSL) ;-)

GRIFO1978 4th Jul 2014 10:50


Originally Posted by maeroda:8548983
that's not much high indeed....but go on kid...keep practicing!!:ok:

(target to proficiency is 73 meters winch cable @ 12.000 ft MSL) ;-)

Yes I know...but one mile begins with one footstep;)

Self loading bear 4th Jul 2014 18:01

Heli rescue Seattle
 
Grifo

Some study material.
Keep up the spirit.

link to Seattle heli rescue


SLB


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