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CharlieOneSix 7th Apr 2014 13:19

Apache down safely - Aberdeenshire
 
Apache down after 'engine failure':

Apache helicopter makes landing at farm near Milltimber in Aberdeenshire | Aberdeen & North | News

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Five Merlins flew northbound over me about the same time and their track wouldn't have been far from the incident.

Boudreaux Bob 7th Apr 2014 13:41

An Apache will not maintain flight on one engine at nearly Sea Level in cool Temps?:rolleyes:

Fareastdriver 7th Apr 2014 14:17

Maybe it failed with a big bang and lots of clattering noises.

Boudreaux Bob 7th Apr 2014 15:05

The article reported "it was losing height".


“I went to speak to the pilot, who said he had to make a landing after engine failure because they were losing height.

Of course we know how very accurate Media reports of Aviation events can be!

tistisnot 7th Apr 2014 15:11

The Major apparently said there will be a "post-crash enquiry" ......... !! Tally-ho!

Lonewolf_50 7th Apr 2014 16:09

As the link won't open for me, was this a "crash landing" or a precautionary landing due to one engine inop? :confused:

diginagain 7th Apr 2014 16:57


As the link won't open for me,
This might help:

Kevin Park, who owns Sunnyside Home Farm, said: “I saw an Apache circling my house and then it set down in a nearby field.
No word on schools, children's homes, hospitals, no mention of the words "plummeting, out-of-control, plumes of smoke" etc.

In other words, one donk gave up the ghost, and while it might have been possible to continue the mission on the other one, prudence says "stick it in that field, and we'll sort it out later".

Lonewolf_50 7th Apr 2014 19:46

Ah, no drama until after the media found out. :} Thanks.

Richard Taylor 7th Apr 2014 20:47

If I'd seen an Apache circling my house, I'd have been quite worried! :}

500e 7th Apr 2014 20:56

Richard One is all right it's when there are a band of them time to worry:E

Boudreaux Bob 7th Apr 2014 20:56

Been talking out of school have you, Richard?:uhoh:

espresso drinker 8th Apr 2014 06:42

No mention of Prince Harry at the controls either :E

Wizzard 8th Apr 2014 15:05


No mention of Prince Harry at the controls either

There wouldn't be as he stopped flying them some months ago.

Vendee 8th Apr 2014 16:18

It would appear that the errant engine lost all its oil.

cats_five 8th Apr 2014 19:02

On the local BBC news tonight - it seems they plan to change an engine and fly it out. Of course that might be total tosh...

diginagain 8th Apr 2014 19:04

Not unreasonable, given that the technical expertise for ECU-changes in the field exists.

VTA 8th Apr 2014 23:40

Can we blow it up to stop the baddies getting their hands on it :ok:

krypton_john 9th Apr 2014 01:10

You'd think it would be easier to just sling it out under a bigger digger, I mean helicopter and change out the bits out of the wind and rain?

Getting back to the OEI question: can an AH64 loaded up with ordinance dump the load in order to maintain altitude on one engine and would it need to? More of a question when flying over Indian country I suppose?.

The Cryptkeeper 9th Apr 2014 07:18

Krypton_John,

The option to undersling the aircraft exists - in this case they have elected to do an engine change in situ because it's an exercise and it's practice for the REME (a move back to "in the field" soldiering).

In the event of a single engine failure the crew can selectively or completely jettison stores (an SOP in Afghanistan if unable to maintain OEI flight).

The aircraft was carrying full RCEFs (external fuel tanks) and was on the edge of OEI performance. In this case the Ac Comd elected not to jettison external pylon stores and carry out a landing. No.1 engine had lost oil pressure but has run dry capability - the emergency is a Land as Soon as Possible i.e a safe and unhurried landing to the nearest suitable site.

Bravo73 9th Apr 2014 07:48


Originally Posted by VTA (Post 8425773)
Can we blow it up to stop the baddies getting their hands on it :ok:

Who's that? Slippery Salmon and his merry band of Scottish separatists? :E


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