BBC Radio 2 newsreader just reported this aircraft as a "Sea Puma".

passenger interviewed on Radio 4 said sudden loss of power and immediate ditching

Does the L2 have any of the same engine/gearbox components as the 225.

From EC by email

Four dead now, this report says:

Evening Express - Article - Four dead after Super Puma helicopter ditches in North Sea

Names have now been released on Sky news:-

"The four confirmed dead are: Duncan Munro, 46, from Bishop Auckland; Sarah Darnley, 45, from Elgin; Gary McCrossan , 59, from Inverness; and George Allison, 57, from Winchester."

RIP. :-(

The names of the four dead have been released:

BBC News - Shetland helicopter crash: Four dead named

A sad, sad day. RIP. :{

Very sad :( condolences to the families affected.

I would like to know if North Sea helicopters have telemetry which automatically and continuously feeds technical information to an operators base?

Will you stand by your statement if it turns out to be pilot error?

P1

No, they don't.

Any news yet on the crew ?.
If, as reported, the wreckage has been towed to shore the AAIB will have everythig they need for a full investigation.

I should first of all like to know the total number of flying hours for the entire Puma series, versus total number of passengers flown, versus total number of incidents and accidents, versus the total number of lives lost.

Assuming that no parts essential to the execution of a successful investigation have gone missing.

BBC reporting that some of the victims were employed by Total.
2S

Do Super Puma helicopters have active HUMS, can the pilots see on the screens the moment there are any changes going on with the heli?

Could you enlighten us what caused the crash and in how far it was a feature that is common for all Super Puma variants which was responsible for this tragic accident?
No?
Then please let us wait for the accident investigators to find out what caused this and take corrective action once it is clear what needs to be fixed if it was anything mechanical.
Flight safefy is not about 'Feel good', it is about facts.
Let us reserve the 'Just do something' attitude to politicíans....

Henra, I don't disagree, but as far as the pax in the back are concerned, it is about 'feel good'. If they don't want to get in due to the current run of incidents, then that impacts on oilfield ops, that impacts on the contractors & operators, & that impacts the heli operators.

Yes get the facts, but the bears are going to take a LOT of convincing in the months ahead to get back onto a Super Puma, in any of its variants.

I am all for INFORMED discussion on these "crash threads" but do remember that 4 families received devastating news last night.

We have few facts to go one which are:-

1. The a/c seems to have been on IFR Flight into Sumburgh.
2. The weather was poor possibly near to minimums.
3. For some reason the a/c hit the sea 2mls short.
4. The impact can't have been too harsh or nobody would have survived.
5. The a/c didn't completly disintergrate.

From these "facts" one can speculate but in no way be certain. As an experienced Ex NS pilot I have one or two possibilties but they can only be general at the moment. If the AIB have the CVR, IHUMS etc I am sure they will have an initial theory on what happened.

Whatever the reason my thoughts are with the families.

JD

...Until the next major event on an S92, AW139, S76 etc. The "bears" do have a rather short and parochial memory, and that is why their opinion should not be used to determine flight safety decisions. That said, I think the vast majority are sensible and understand the concept of risk, and are aware of just how much trouble-free flying these aircraft all do.

I vote Hummingfrog for Offshore Helicopter Operations Media spokesperson please.

In light of the seriousness of this incident, the tragic loss of life, and the impact it will have on operations not only out of Scotland, but worldwide, possibly on the operator and on EC, then isnt it fair that we wait for the findings of the professionals, before the usual suspects start with their armchair dissection of the accident.

I'm sure we all have our ideas about what happened. But. we werent there.

:sad:

If you read the accident report into G-JSAR, also an L2, is says the following referring to HUMS:

Whether this system has subsequently been up-dated to allow for real-time analysis and presentation to the flight crew I do not know.