German special forces select EC645 T2
 

German special forces select the EC645 T2
Germany selects EC645 T2 LUH for special forces - News - Shephard
"The helicopter can be strategically airlifted in an Airbus A400M and quickly prepared for the mission upon arrival in a theatre of operations."

Mentions a fenestron which is not shown in the photo.

Certainly sounds like a good bit of kit.

That's because the only mil Ec145 or flying around. The mock of the EC645T2 up ( Please see my pic below :) admittedly the Eurocopter stand wasn't photo friendly tbh.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...psb5e697c6.jpg

AFAIK then EC645T2 hasn't flown yet and when Eurocopter were trying the AAS-72X Armed Scout demo to US Army, they used D-HADW a civilian demonstrator of (which I saw at Heli Expo a few months ago) flying beside an UH-72

Cheers

P.s @ moderators should this thread be moved to EC145 thread?

That is some nice piece of equipment :) i wouldn't mind flying it :)

It´s not what the special forces want.
They were looking for something a lot smaller, more along the size of a Kiowa.
But then someone along the line thought it would be nice to get the aircraft IF-rated and twin-engined and so on and so forth.

And obviously it had to be a Eurocopter. Because we´re having such great experiences with EC building military aircraft.

The whole process was tailored so that only the EC 145 would be an option.
An aircraft too big and with too much technology for those short hops to deploy and recover special forces.

Besides: It hasn´t flown yet. Why so complicated?

Tom

P.S.: It´s a boy!

I am certain that if the German government rescinded their order with Eurocopter, Bell would be willing to offer their new 407GT! :E

Well...Mercedes-Benz is always Mercedes-Benz :O

JR

Yep... Like there was any shot that they would pick any other OEM.... Now the USG on the other hand....

German special forces select EC645 T2
 

And it sounds like a bargain as well, 15 Helicopters for 200 Million. Could have gotten 15 139s for that price. At least they could have been sold away once you find out they are not the right choice :-)

Isn´t the whole idea that we use them to help EC to sell them worldwide?

Only problem is, similar to the NH-90: no one wants to buy them...

Tom

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Hello Thone,

The US Army and Navy fly 250 of them (without the fenestron) and will get 320 at the end.

They are very happy with them so if you prefer Kiowa to do insertion and extraction of special ops :eek:, maybe you can make a deal, I'm sure they will be agree !

One of them in Germany :


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Throne...you are talking rubbish. The new EC645T2 is the same as the 145T2 with the benefit of the Lakota militarisation ( and cost reductions) and weaponry proved on the Iraqi EC635. So a first flight is merely academic.
And several hundred NH90s have been sold ...not bad for a helicopter that is in very early stages of its service...admittedly delayed due to the many variants needing certification.

Oh goody, they get a helicopter that hasn't flown yet, that can be carried in an aircraft they don't have yet.

Is either likely to be in service before 2020?

Can the german tax payers afford this junk...?

The German tax payers can currently afford to pay for/bail out the rest of their European neighbours so a few little helicopters? I imagine so. ;)

I'll be darned...und alles nur um den Euro zu retten...

What's with all the EC145 bad mouthing? Sales figures alone prove its a good aircraft. The C1 and the Bo105 before it too.

The D2 will prove to be just as popular.

If it helps, when I was in the Bell chalet at Le Bourget on the wednesday, a Bundeswehr delegation including a very nice young blonde Luftwaffe officer arrived as invited guests :)

I wondered why then remembered there are still UH-1D n service with the Heeresflieger :) and maybe some examples left n the Luftwaffe (after the swap over whereby the Luftwaffe got the heavy lift CH-53G and the Heeresflieger got the NH90 as well as the SAR mission )

Good luck with the EC645T2 as I think I read in Combat Aircraft, there was talk of be UH-72B model based on the T2 proposed for the US Army with talks with American Eurocopter

Cheers

Anyone know why the US Army and Navy fly them without the fenestron?
Is it just cost?

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Hello krautland,

The version with fenestron (EC 145 T2 / EC 645 T2) is the new one, first deliveries within few months for the 145T2.

The 645T2 is proposed for the Armed Aerial Scout program of the US Army.
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